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Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
02-14-15, 04:52 PM
Replies: 53
Views: 15,403
Posted By John Forester

Vehicular Cycling practice, in contrast to the...

Vehicular Cycling practice, in contrast to the standard American cyclist-inferiority cycling method, arose before there was any scientific data concerning car-bike collisions. However, both of the...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
09-19-14, 11:29 AM
Replies: 39
Views: 4,936
Posted By John Forester

Genec is arguing (see his previous posts in this...

Genec is arguing (see his previous posts in this thread), though he doesn't admit it, that this road has adequate width for motorists to overtake cyclists in the same lane. It doesn't. Given that,...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-26-14, 08:10 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

Well, then, what are these other parts of your...

Well, then, what are these other parts of your "equation"?
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-26-14, 04:48 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

John Forester wrote: " The need for teaching...

John Forester wrote: " The need for teaching [traffic cycling to] adult Americans is to get them to unlearn all the bad habits and debilitating fears that American motoring society has inculcated...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-25-14, 06:25 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

Cranky, your statements are inaccurate again, and...

Cranky, your statements are inaccurate again, and again. You need to learn. You state that: "In the U.S. with vehicular cycling it is highly recommended, by John and most vehicular cycling...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-25-14, 06:03 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

You have it all wrong, Cranky! Certainly, it is...

You have it all wrong, Cranky! Certainly, it is reasonable to consider LAB's actions in terms of politics, because LAB exists to sell more bicycles. The machinations of the LAB board of directors is...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
06-24-14, 09:11 PM
Replies: 33
Views: 8,197
Posted By John Forester

Moving to the left to stay out of mandatory right...

Moving to the left to stay out of mandatory right turn lanes is perfectly lawful. Indeed, it is required by the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles, though not for riders of bicycles.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-24-14, 06:36 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

CrankyOne is incorrect in claiming: "Firstly, a...

CrankyOne is incorrect in claiming: "Firstly, a primary trouble spot is between junctions with bicycle riders being hit from behind as the recent LAB report indicated, thus the need for cycletracks...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-24-14, 05:19 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

Way back when the AASHTO bikeway standards were...

Way back when the AASHTO bikeway standards were being created, we hoped that bike paths would be like miniature highways in both design and operation. After all, the rules of the road for drivers of...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-24-14, 04:36 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

This has been a major point in bicycle traffic...

This has been a major point in bicycle traffic engineering from the very beginning. Consider the points of a diamond labelled, for ease in visualization, N, E, S, W as in the points of a compass. A...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-24-14, 03:05 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

When I last had a regular commuting ride, the...

When I last had a regular commuting ride, the distance was 11.5 miles which I typically did in 44 minutes, which is 15.7 mph. The terrain was flat, Sunnyvale to Menlo Park, California.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-24-14, 12:20 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

Nearly all motor vehicles can exceed most road...

Nearly all motor vehicles can exceed most road speed limits. That's irrelevant to this discussion. The relevant point is that the facilities for America's bicycle transportation system are officially...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-23-14, 04:06 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

Being a futurologist is a very problematical and...

Being a futurologist is a very problematical and dubious profession. But still, what do we do for today? Today's official policy (if anything can be called an official policy in the topsy-turvey...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-23-14, 03:42 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

The facility that you describe is not a bike lane...

The facility that you describe is not a bike lane but a sidepath, now being promoted as a cycletrack. This type of facility is defined as being alongside the roadway and separated from the roadway by...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-22-14, 02:09 PM
Replies: 167
Views: 8,616
Posted By John Forester

It ain't that simple. On most roadways cyclists...

It ain't that simple. On most roadways cyclists can ride safely as fast as their physical capacity allows. Why then should government build bikeways which are safe only when used at less than half of...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-17-14, 04:25 PM
Replies: 141
Views: 10,898
Posted By John Forester

Many people have written over the years that the...

Many people have written over the years that the less one rides like the typical American bicycle rider and the more that one rides in the manner of a driver the easier your traffic experience...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-17-14, 01:41 PM
Replies: 141
Views: 10,898
Posted By John Forester

The scope of these discussions is not limited to...

The scope of these discussions is not limited to Washington; they apply to American traffic laws generally, unless there are specific exceptions.

Your response shows that you don't understand my...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-17-14, 10:57 AM
Replies: 141
Views: 10,898
Posted By John Forester

The rules of the road for drivers of vehicles...

The rules of the road for drivers of vehicles apply whenever vehicles are operated on roadways; they do not apply for the operation of vehicles off the roadway, for example when motor vehicles are...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-16-14, 09:19 PM
Replies: 141
Views: 10,898
Posted By John Forester

Vehicular cycling is cycling in accordance with...

Vehicular cycling is cycling in accordance with the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles. If all the other drivers are required to obey any rule, then the vehicular cyclist obeys that rule. It...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-15-14, 07:53 PM
Replies: 40
Views: 3,015
Posted By John Forester

Please read my statement again. It stated that...

Please read my statement again. It stated that there are no known measurements of cyclist behavior in UK or OZ, and that the US measurements are thirty years old. Without such data, it is impossible...
Forum: Living Car Free
06-15-14, 02:26 PM
Replies: 398
Views: 13,478
Posted By John Forester

The article in bikeportland that supposedly...

The article in bikeportland that supposedly reports Mia Birk's replies to criticisms of her editorial, the second reference in the above, post, has just been removed from view. I looked over many...
Forum: Vehicular Cycling (VC)
06-15-14, 10:53 AM
Replies: 83
Views: 9,115
Posted By John Forester

That is because Americans have been conditioned...

That is because Americans have been conditioned to strongly believe that it is impossible for them to cycle safely according to the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles. They have been...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-15-14, 10:34 AM
Replies: 40
Views: 3,015
Posted By John Forester

It can be interesting to speculate about such...

It can be interesting to speculate about such matters, which might, or might not, have to do with differences in cyclist behavior. But even considering possible differences in cyclist behavior, so...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-14-14, 04:24 PM
Replies: 40
Views: 3,015
Posted By John Forester

We have argued at length about the slow speed...

We have argued at length about the slow speed typical of Dutch cycling, with Dutch apologists saying that this is not so. Consider the comments, several, in the video concerning speed. There are...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-11-14, 01:23 PM
Replies: 20
Views: 2,093
Posted By John Forester

Kickstart is again wrong, twice. First,...

Kickstart is again wrong, twice.

First, Kickstart argues that motorists, cyclists, and pedestrian are "all 'subservient' to each other, depending on time, place, and conditions." I have to...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-11-14, 11:55 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 2,093
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-11-14, 09:31 AM
Replies: 20
Views: 2,093
Posted By John Forester

Unfortunately, you are wrong there. The specific...

Unfortunately, you are wrong there. The specific law to which you refer, the cyclist Far-to-the-Right law, was deliberately designed to retain motorists' proclamation that cyclists' prime duty is to...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-11-14, 09:11 AM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,948
Posted By John Forester

The definition of VC (vehicular cycling) is based...

The definition of VC (vehicular cycling) is based on American traffic law. It is, cycling in accordance with the rules of the road for drivers of vehicles. In a short summary, it is obeying the laws...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-05-14, 08:50 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,948
Posted By John Forester

You argue that the LAB study demonstrates that...

You argue that the LAB study demonstrates that hit from behind collisions are a large part of car-bike collisions, and of crashes to cyclists. They aren't. The LAB study (it really is the federal...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-05-14, 02:37 PM
Replies: 23
Views: 1,948
Posted By John Forester

You state: "The goal is not to build safe cycling...

You state: "The goal is not to build safe cycling infrastructure for very experienced cyclists; the goal is to build safe cycling infrastructure for all cyclists." You statement would make a point...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-04-14, 05:18 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

The discussion started with my statement that the...

The discussion started with my statement that the streetcar and automotive revolutions each made enormous changes to the urban form. Each of these changes occurred because the change in...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-03-14, 03:07 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

Genec claims that there is lots of A going on,...

Genec claims that there is lots of A going on, and offers three examples to demonstrate it. However, none of his examples are examples of A. Therefore, there has been no presentation of any evidence...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-03-14, 12:00 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

I had just described the changes in urban form...

I had just described the changes in urban form produced by the changes from walking to streetcar to automotive cities, to which I added: " What I also say is that the puny efforts of bicycle...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-03-14, 11:34 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

I repeat what I have written before. The proposed...

I repeat what I have written before. The proposed facility is what the public wants, so build it. I suppose that it is better to ride among the parking lot traffic than among the pedestrians, which...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-03-14, 11:31 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

I was replying to kickstart's statement that...

I was replying to kickstart's statement that bikeways should be built for all users not just the "dedicated enthusiasts". Certainly, that is an ambiguous phrase; I really don't know to which group...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-02-14, 09:25 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

I am curious as to why you chose to phrase the...

I am curious as to why you chose to phrase the above statement as you did. American policy about bicycle facilities is to design them to suit the popular taste; it is the dedicated enthusiasts who...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-02-14, 03:25 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

This is not so. NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, San...

This is not so. NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Chicago, Oakland, Los Angeles, all were streetcar (rail) cities before 1900. It is correct that these cities, some more than others, rebuilt...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-02-14, 02:47 PM
Replies: 95
Views: 7,364
Posted By John Forester

That argument assumes that the CPSC regulations...

That argument assumes that the CPSC regulations actually refer to systems for reducing cyclist injuries. The CPSC regulations started out as BMA requirements to persuade parents that BMA-produced...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 08:25 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

In answer to my skepticism about changing...

In answer to my skepticism about changing American cities to the Dutch pattern, Genec argues that change is always possible: "And yet so many cities did change... with the advent of the motor...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 08:09 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

Just build something such as has been proposed....

Just build something such as has been proposed. Those who lack cycling skills want it, and they have political power. But don't expect what cannot reasonably be delivered, a facility suitable for...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 08:05 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

The weight of the evidence is that those cyclists...

The weight of the evidence is that those cyclists who practice vehicular cycling have a crash rate less than 20% of that of the general American cycling public; 20% to 25% when groups in which...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 05:31 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

Cranky has expressed his hopes for the future....

Cranky has expressed his hopes for the future. However, America has not yet done anything to implement his hopes; all that has been done in the bicycle transportation field was designed to make...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 01:52 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

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Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 10:59 AM
Replies: 84
Views: 4,730
Posted By John Forester

Avoiding pedestrians? Don't cycle where there are...

Avoiding pedestrians? Don't cycle where there are pedestrians.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 10:57 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

The first edition of Effective Cycling came out...

The first edition of Effective Cycling came out in 1976. The seventh edition came out last year. See The MIT Press.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
06-01-14, 09:18 AM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

I regard your statement as one more piece of...

I regard your statement as one more piece of evidence demonstrating the undeniable fact that the American public know nothing about cyclist traffic safety.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-31-14, 08:57 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

Both sides have their names, and such naming is...

Both sides have their names, and such naming is necessary for speedy discussion. You cannot consider that the segregationists could be called the American cyclists, which appears to be your desire.
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-31-14, 08:54 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

I have not written that the proposed Westlake...

I have not written that the proposed Westlake path should not be built. I have only stated, although perhaps indirectly, that it cannot reasonably be built with a high design speed. Since there...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-31-14, 06:39 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

So far as I can understand, there are some...

So far as I can understand, there are some bicycle advocates who call for segregating bicycle traffic from motor traffic. I see no insult in applying to them the words that they use themselves for...
Forum: Advocacy & Safety
05-31-14, 06:24 PM
Replies: 187
Views: 9,551
Posted By John Forester

Need anything be done to make Westlake Ave safe...

Need anything be done to make Westlake Ave safe for the faster cyclists? I haven't seen any evidence that such is required, and it probably isn't. But, I have not had the opportunity to go over it to...
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