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Forum: Classic and Vintage Bicycles: Whats it Worth? Appraisals.
05-23-24, 01:50 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 58
Posted By Spoonrobot

What size is it? 55-56 ctt? One of these in...

What size is it? 55-56 ctt? One of these in probably the next largest size (seller listed as 58 ctt) in similar condition sold on eBay for $565 back in November 2023. Ebay link is dead but I noted it...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
05-18-24, 01:32 PM
Replies: 10
Views: 263
Posted By Spoonrobot

Interested to read your thoughts and see more...

Interested to read your thoughts and see more pics of the two bikes as you compare. The Team USA is a neat bike, I almost bought one based on your earlier posts but managed to exert some willpower...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
05-18-24, 01:26 PM
Replies: 35
Views: 1,348
Posted By Spoonrobot

Magnificent 7 post detected, please report to...

Magnificent 7 post detected, please report to this thread for proper re-education:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1285648-putting-magnificent-7-tubing-test-bed.html
Forum: Touring
05-13-24, 09:18 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

Incorrect. "Cross" as in "Cross-Over", as clearly...

Incorrect. "Cross" as in "Cross-Over", as clearly shown in the catalog page I posted earlier that you didn't read. This is what I'm talking about, you don't know the term Miyata was using and didn't...
Forum: Touring
05-10-24, 07:02 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

This is from 1993 but was applied sporadically to...

This is from 1993 but was applied sporadically to MTB and other 26" bike imports starting in the early 1980s. It's part of why some companies were introducing and discontinuing several apparently...
Forum: Touring
05-09-24, 10:38 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

It's not a fact, it's an opinion. One so far...

It's not a fact, it's an opinion. One so far unsupported by evidence.

This is the same type/use argument with gravel bikes.

Sport Touring bikes may be theorized to have had the same use as...
Forum: Touring
05-09-24, 08:54 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

700c was part of the product differentiation of...

700c was part of the product differentiation of Hybrids, that's how the market category was created. The wheelsize signaled they were for serious riders who generally were road cyclists, while also...
Forum: Bicycle Mechanics
05-08-24, 05:59 PM
Replies: 45
Views: 1,452
Posted By Spoonrobot

Called the Speedtech CW-1089. Pricey for NOS but...

Called the Speedtech CW-1089. Pricey for NOS but some cheaper used ones.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124645390485

Looks neat:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/CBsAAOSwJj9cXQPy/s-l1600.jpg
Forum: Touring
05-08-24, 05:48 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

With all the stuff you got wrong so far (Wrong...

With all the stuff you got wrong so far (Wrong date on Alan founding, wrong date on when Alan produced it's first cyclocross bike, claiming companies didn't make types of bikes I have shown you they...
Forum: Touring
05-08-24, 08:45 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

So what was this about?

So what was this about?
Forum: Touring
05-08-24, 08:39 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

The City Runner was introduced in 1984? What page...

The City Runner was introduced in 1984? What page is it on the in 1984 catalog?

I'll answer for you:

The City Runner was not introduced until 1986 and as such was not featured in the 1984 or...
Forum: Touring
05-08-24, 07:42 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

You need to fix the formatting on your post to...

You need to fix the formatting on your post to move the first part of your response outside of the quote tags.
Forum: Touring
05-07-24, 08:46 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

Did you miss the part where the article said: ...

Did you miss the part where the article said:
https://i.imgur.com/V9npwVf.png

Flat bar hybrids came after drop bar hybrids, that is proven by historical record. Many existed at the same time but...
Forum: Touring
05-07-24, 11:20 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

There may be, regardless they're all historically...

There may be, regardless they're all historically illiterate and incorrect. To uncritically repeat such sentiment is helpful to illustrate the discussion gap we are having here.

The Rock Combo has...
Forum: Touring
05-07-24, 11:07 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

Cyclocross was a distinct marketing image and...

Cyclocross was a distinct marketing image and inspiration for some Hybrids - the Fisher I already posted above, as well as the Miyata Cross series. The AlumiCross invoked Cyclocross imagery...
Forum: Touring
05-07-24, 10:55 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

Miyata provides an interesting viewpoint of the...

Miyata provides an interesting viewpoint of the speed of the product category development as well as the struggles with differentiation.

IIRC due to trademark or copyright issues with the term and...
Forum: Touring
05-07-24, 08:31 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

cyccommute You would have us believe that...

cyccommute

You would have us believe that the MB-1 was stocked with flat handlebars and drop bars were a special request? Despite the catalog and advertisements stating the stem and handlebar...
Forum: Touring
05-07-24, 08:24 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

It's not up to what you think. We know, as I have...

It's not up to what you think. We know, as I have proven, multiple companies offered "hybrid bike(s) with OEM drop bars."
...
Forum: Touring
05-04-24, 11:56 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

You mentioned this before, I'm not sure that was...

You mentioned this before, I'm not sure that was the idea and haven't seen much in the magazines and catalogs I've found to support such a statement. Please source with the earlier request.
...
Forum: Touring
05-04-24, 11:40 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

I've been trying to find anything in the...

I've been trying to find anything in the historical record about this bike and there doesn't seem to be much at all. I'm not making a claim to status but it does seem the industry at large was...
Forum: Touring
05-04-24, 11:30 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

Yes, they do. Bianchi, probably the most invested...

Yes, they do. Bianchi, probably the most invested in hybrids from the 1980s through 1990s until Cyclocross in America actually took off, developed their bicycles directly along the line from...
Forum: Touring
05-04-24, 11:07 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

I would ask simply, is your contention that...

I would ask simply, is your contention that Hybrids were introduced as flat bars;
earlier than 1989;
And that in 1989 Bicycle Guide - a leading periodical with circulation of 800,000+ - was...
Forum: Touring
05-04-24, 11:04 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

Honestly it's hard to have a conversation with...

Honestly it's hard to have a conversation with you if you keep changing what you are saying.

The first evidence you provided was a Hybrid shown with drop bars from 1989. Can you source the bold...
Forum: Touring
05-03-24, 02:25 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

What interesting is the "gravel" geometry for one...

What interesting is the "gravel" geometry for one of the original as marketed gravel bikes - the Raleigh Tamland - is very close to what some CX bikes were already at EXCEPT for the BB drop. which...
Forum: Touring
05-03-24, 02:14 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

This is such a great find, another piece of the...

This is such a great find, another piece of the puzzle from the past.

I have only found the model in the 1988 catalog (not in 86/87). And 1990/91, there were actually two models in 1990:...
Forum: Touring
05-03-24, 09:09 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

We're all over the place in this argument,...

We're all over the place in this argument, backwards and upside down in one post.

A mountain bike is optimized for mixed surfaces with substantial portions of unpaved and poorly paved roadways?
...
Forum: Touring
05-03-24, 07:12 AM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

When? Provide the source, in addition to the...

When? Provide the source, in addition to the close cropped screenshot, so that we may all indulge our desire to learn.
Forum: Touring
05-02-24, 06:15 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

There's also something to be said that "a blend...

There's also something to be said that "a blend of road and mountain" applies to road bikes as well, much more so than in the past.

Road racing bicycles now have hydraulic disc brakes as standard,...
Forum: Touring
05-02-24, 05:00 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

"Hybrid" started life as a marketing term for a...

"Hybrid" started life as a marketing term for a drop bar bike that was neither road nor mountain, eventually it came to refer exclusively to flat bar bicycles. At which point "drop-bar hybrid" had to...
Forum: Touring
05-02-24, 12:08 PM
Replies: 153
Views: 10,912
Posted By Spoonrobot

"Drop bar hybrid" is a term 30+ years out date....

"Drop bar hybrid" is a term 30+ years out date. Almost as dead is the idea of a mountain bike as the default bike "optimized for mixed surfaces with substantial portions of unpaved or poorly paved...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
05-02-24, 05:58 AM
Replies: 35
Views: 1,376
Posted By Spoonrobot

Well, now it's back. So the golliwog will have to...

Well, now it's back. So the golliwog will have to wait for another day to have his revenge.

https://groups.google.com/g/classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicycles
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-25-24, 03:37 PM
Replies: 18
Views: 867
Posted By Spoonrobot

From what I can tell in - addition to what you...

From what I can tell in - addition to what you noted - the 1990 has the rear rack braze-ons located on the outside of the seatstays and the 1991 has them on the inside of the seatstays. And then the...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-25-24, 12:47 PM
Replies: 18
Views: 867
Posted By Spoonrobot

That's a really nice example, great find. ...

That's a really nice example, great find.

The Project 7 is one of my many late 80s/early 90s grail bikes. As you noted it's only a footnote in MTB history but I think as we move forward into the...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-16-24, 08:57 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 4,014
Posted By Spoonrobot

Do you have a link or contact info for...

Do you have a link or contact info for Bridgestone? I looked recently and was unable to find any lugged offerings from them including in what appear to be the company catalogs for 2024 here:...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-14-24, 04:15 PM
Replies: 86
Views: 4,014
Posted By Spoonrobot

This is an interesting question, the book...

This is an interesting question, the book Japanese Steel has some answers and timelines but I don't have it on hand to look and share what it says. I'm interested enough to research this some more...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-11-24, 11:02 AM
Replies: 5
Views: 499
Posted By Spoonrobot

Panasonic makes some interesting bikes. Wish...

Panasonic makes some interesting bikes. Wish there was more support for sales in the USA. They're keeping the dream of the 80s alive with their detailed tubing specs.
...
Forum: Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
04-11-24, 07:31 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 2,605
Posted By Spoonrobot

Yes, the marketing category of "Hybrid" was...

Yes, the marketing category of "Hybrid" was originally a drop-bar 700c wheel bike most likely starting in 1986 with the Bianchi Volpe - then Bruce Gordon Rock 'n' Road, Fisher Sphinx, etc. It was...
Forum: Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
04-10-24, 10:28 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 2,605
Posted By Spoonrobot

Bianchigirll uploaded a bunch of 80s-90s Bianchi...

Bianchigirll uploaded a bunch of 80s-90s Bianchi Catalogs a couple years ago and reading through them I was struck immediately by how well the Cross-Terrain descriptions fit with my idea of "Gravel...
Forum: Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
04-10-24, 08:22 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 2,605
Posted By Spoonrobot

I understand this sort of bad faith...

I understand this sort of bad faith interpretational argument is your hobby; however, I have no interest in you, nor in continuing with this.
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-10-24, 08:08 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,698
Posted By Spoonrobot

That's a solid, tasteful build. Bianchi has so...

That's a solid, tasteful build. Bianchi has so many good cx bikes from the mid-1980s-early 2000s

https://i.imgur.com/QbzkhlO.png
Forum: Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
04-10-24, 07:43 AM
Replies: 43
Views: 2,605
Posted By Spoonrobot

Where did I they were rebadges? The statement I...

Where did I they were rebadges? The statement I made needed no additional clarity and now you have muddied the water adding sentiment I did not say nor intend.
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-09-24, 01:31 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,698
Posted By Spoonrobot

Ride it around, appreciate the vintage-ness. I do...

Ride it around, appreciate the vintage-ness. I do most of my gravel racing/riding on modern disc brake bikes but occasionally there's a course when my vintage CX bike is a good choice and it's such...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-09-24, 01:19 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,698
Posted By Spoonrobot

No doubt BB height has gotten lower in the modern...

No doubt BB height has gotten lower in the modern era but it isn't applicable here. I started in the C&V because those are the types of CX bikes where my interest lies. Obviously, road height BB was...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-09-24, 12:46 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,698
Posted By Spoonrobot

Wow what a beauty. Just like the Pinarello posted...

Wow what a beauty. Just like the Pinarello posted earlier - you gotta get that built up and riding!
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-09-24, 12:38 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,698
Posted By Spoonrobot

Part of the attraction for me is the higher BB. I...

Part of the attraction for me is the higher BB. I prefer feeling a little higher as well as the additional pedal strike clearance. My favorite bikes have 60-65mm drop on 38/42mm tires. Relatively...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-09-24, 10:38 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,698
Posted By Spoonrobot

Nice pics and comments so far. Interesting...

Nice pics and comments so far. Interesting discussion about the relative rarity and the ability of contemporary road bikes in the 60s/70s being able to take enough tire to work fine. It seems the UK...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-09-24, 07:37 AM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,698
Posted By Spoonrobot

Truth here and I think most of the 80s and 90s CX...

Truth here and I think most of the 80s and 90s CX bikes hung around not doing much - ridden as road bikes, turned into townies or commuters - until the boom in 2020, and then they all became gravel...
Forum: Classic & Vintage
04-08-24, 09:54 PM
Replies: 46
Views: 1,698
Posted By Spoonrobot

Does anyone collect Cyclocross bikes?

I don't believe I've ever seen a collection of C&V cyclocross bikes. Lots of road bike collections, and vintage MTB is really exploding now, so why no CX? Even C&V track bikes seem to have a larger...
Forum: Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
04-07-24, 01:00 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 2,605
Posted By Spoonrobot

If the claims allowed include gravel bikes that...

If the claims allowed include gravel bikes that weren't called "Gravel Bikes" the Salsa Vaya deserves a rightful place - early 2010:
...
Forum: Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
04-07-24, 12:55 PM
Replies: 43
Views: 2,605
Posted By Spoonrobot

The Tripster ATR metamorphized into a gravel bike...

The Tripster ATR metamorphized into a gravel bike well after the first USA gravel bike(s).

Unfortunately, a "Gravel Bike" has to be called a gravel bike to count, the Tripster ATR was like a lot...
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