Diverge 2018
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Well jeez I would hope an $1800 bike billed as the ultimate "do anything" bike would be more than "competent" on something like the C&O! I've done the whole length many times bikecamping on a 1993 rigid steel MTB with, on at least one trip, Specialized Fatboy tires that are 1.25" 100psi slicks (I think I had them at 80psi for that though). And there were always people sailing down the towpath on regular road bikes.
Cool that you've done the whole length! Harpers Ferry to Georgetown? Doing the whole trip is on my bucket list. Any thoughts on steel vs. aluminum vs. carbon frame for towpath terrain?
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I asked the dealer what it would cost to upgrade to Shimano RS505 -- the brakes used on the D Comp. He told me he'd have to buy the "whole brake set", which would cost $700. Add, say $100, for labor, and I'd be looking at a $2600 bike.
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It probably costs $700 at the dealer. You can get them for the mid-$200's online.
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OK, this question will expose me as a non-cognoscenti: what specific parts would I order online? The dealer was saying that I needed even to replace the brake hand levers on the bike. He was stating the price as if I was starting from scratch.
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Jim
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Wow, that would make it reasonable to do the swap.
OK, this question will expose me as a non-cognoscenti: what specific parts would I order online? The dealer was saying that I needed even to replace the brake hand levers on the bike. He was stating the price as if I was starting from scratch.
Thanks,
Jim
OK, this question will expose me as a non-cognoscenti: what specific parts would I order online? The dealer was saying that I needed even to replace the brake hand levers on the bike. He was stating the price as if I was starting from scratch.
Thanks,
Jim
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One more thought out of my experience with the Roubaix and Diverge 2017. I think the Future Shock adds more to the ride characteristics than everything else. Ok, May be the tire width, but assuming similar tire width. Therefore, the Difference between the Carbon models and E5 model with FS is most probably smaller than between the E5 models with and without FS.
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I'm sure your LBS wouldn't blame you for buying these components for significantly less than their wholesale price (FU, Shimano), but if you'll be needing their assistance in choosing it and installing it, please be prepared to compensate them for their trouble.
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There's some weird pricing going on right now. Ultegra 6800 STI's are on sale and cheaper than 105's.
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I've only done it on my cromoly rigid MTB, with tires from the 1.25" 100psi Specialized Fatboys, to 1.5" 80psi Specialized Nimbus, to 2.1" 60psi Panaracer Smoke/Dart. No issues, at least if it's dry. Two of my trips had heavy rain the entire time, so the trail was just one big mudpit, and then I was glad to have the 2" knobbies.
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Yesterday I got to ride the E5 Comp. The LBS had it in graphite/black, and it looked awesome to me -- quite elemental. Nice proportions; it fit right for me. I rode it on the (gravel) C&O towpath in DC. It was surprisingly competent, especially since I had ridden into town (including a couple-mile stretch on the towpath) on my dual suspension SJ. My only* hesitation with the E5 is that it comes with mechanical disc brakes. I've been spoiled by hydro disc brakes (is this just psychological?) If I were to go up one model, to the Comp, I'd get hydro discs and a carbon frame -- but my cost would go from $1800 to $3000!
Before making that leap to the Comp, the other bike I'd like to try for comparison is the Jamis Renegade Expert. Both the D Comp and the JRE have carbon frames, 105 sets, and Shimano hydro brakes. The Comp has 38 mm tires and the JRE has 36. If you pull their photos up on your screen and toggle back and forth, the two bikes look close to identical. The S Comp has the Future Shock and costs $3000; the JRE does not and costs $2700.
*OK, I wish the E5 had a bit wider tires: maybe in the 32-34 range, instead of 30. But I could make that change.
Before making that leap to the Comp, the other bike I'd like to try for comparison is the Jamis Renegade Expert. Both the D Comp and the JRE have carbon frames, 105 sets, and Shimano hydro brakes. The Comp has 38 mm tires and the JRE has 36. If you pull their photos up on your screen and toggle back and forth, the two bikes look close to identical. The S Comp has the Future Shock and costs $3000; the JRE does not and costs $2700.
*OK, I wish the E5 had a bit wider tires: maybe in the 32-34 range, instead of 30. But I could make that change.
I know that's a lot of info but in the end, you get more bang for buck. Plus you'll probably be one of only a handful of people in your region that has one since most bike shops don't carry the carbon version.
So my opinion is non biased since I already own (Diverge) one but just felt the new bike was a step down impo, therefore the JREL is the best bike for me, even without the future shock.
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Anyway, anyone has the weight for Diverge Comp E5? I'm curious to hear the weight of the bike, I'm guessing ~10kg+
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I can't imagine it's much heavier than the Elite DSW if at at all. The futureshock is only 7oz. I'm not sure how much weight the smartweld process saves. But the Comp E5 has 105 compared to Tiagra on the DSW, there's a few oz right there probably.
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https://www.cyclingabout.com/2018-sp...touring-bikes/
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Interestingly the upper rear rack mount seems to be in the seat collar, at least on the E5 Comp. Based on Specialized site Carbon models don't have that alloy rack mount seat collar, but the site mentions "mounts for racks". I cannot see any placement for the rear rack based on pictures I've seen.
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Also an interesting difference, is that the carbon models have two placement (3 screws) bottle mounts on seat and down tube, where as aluminium ones only have one placement (2 screws). I bet this for the SWAT-box compatibility, but works also nicely, if you need to lower your bottles to make room for a frame bag.
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Hi guys.
Just discovered the Diverge, and while I'm waiting for the 2018 line-up to make its way to Canada, I registered to ask a question.
There's lots of discussion and opinions about the high-end carbon models & E5 comp with Future shock. But what about the cheap ones?
If I'm considering one of the low-end models (E5 up to E5 Elite) without Future Shock, would I be better off with a 2017 model with Zertz? Since zertz is now gone on all models, the low-end diverges now have no dampening at all, right?
I guess I would be giving up the premium E5 aluminum for A1, and, as someone who likes to keep their bikes for a long time, possibly risking getting stuck with unsupported wheel sets.
Am I right? Any opinions?
Thanks!
Just discovered the Diverge, and while I'm waiting for the 2018 line-up to make its way to Canada, I registered to ask a question.
There's lots of discussion and opinions about the high-end carbon models & E5 comp with Future shock. But what about the cheap ones?
If I'm considering one of the low-end models (E5 up to E5 Elite) without Future Shock, would I be better off with a 2017 model with Zertz? Since zertz is now gone on all models, the low-end diverges now have no dampening at all, right?
I guess I would be giving up the premium E5 aluminum for A1, and, as someone who likes to keep their bikes for a long time, possibly risking getting stuck with unsupported wheel sets.
Am I right? Any opinions?
Thanks!
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Hi guys.
Just discovered the Diverge, and while I'm waiting for the 2018 line-up to make its way to Canada, I registered to ask a question.
There's lots of discussion and opinions about the high-end carbon models & E5 comp with Future shock. But what about the cheap ones?
If I'm considering one of the low-end models (E5 up to E5 Elite) without Future Shock, would I be better off with a 2017 model with Zertz? Since zertz is now gone on all models, the low-end diverges now have no dampening at all, right?
I guess I would be giving up the premium E5 aluminum for A1, and, as someone who likes to keep their bikes for a long time, possibly risking getting stuck with unsupported wheel sets.
Am I right? Any opinions?
Thanks!
Just discovered the Diverge, and while I'm waiting for the 2018 line-up to make its way to Canada, I registered to ask a question.
There's lots of discussion and opinions about the high-end carbon models & E5 comp with Future shock. But what about the cheap ones?
If I'm considering one of the low-end models (E5 up to E5 Elite) without Future Shock, would I be better off with a 2017 model with Zertz? Since zertz is now gone on all models, the low-end diverges now have no dampening at all, right?
I guess I would be giving up the premium E5 aluminum for A1, and, as someone who likes to keep their bikes for a long time, possibly risking getting stuck with unsupported wheel sets.
Am I right? Any opinions?
Thanks!
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I guess since none of the 2018s have any dampening in the seat, Specialized is admitting that the zertz inserts there were a gimmick?
For the front end, the ShockStem is definitely an option.
Another idea: Would the E5 be upgradeable to a future shock stem at a later date, or is it integrated into the frame somehow?
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Thanks. I guess what I need is to either ride both myself (unlikely I can find both in stock in my size) or wait for someone else to chime in who has ridden both who can compare the ride... A few people have ridden 2017 and 2018 high end models, it's hard being on a budget - no one reviews the entry level ones
I guess since none of the 2018s have any dampening in the seat, Specialized is admitting that the zertz inserts there were a gimmick?
For the front end, the ShockStem is definitely an option.
Another idea: Would the E5 be upgradeable to a future shock stem at a later date, or is it integrated into the frame somehow?
I guess since none of the 2018s have any dampening in the seat, Specialized is admitting that the zertz inserts there were a gimmick?
For the front end, the ShockStem is definitely an option.
Another idea: Would the E5 be upgradeable to a future shock stem at a later date, or is it integrated into the frame somehow?
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I had the bike shop weigh the 2018 Comp E5 and their analog hanging scale said 22.5lb. I had my digital with me just in case and it read the same. This is with basic plastic pedals and reflectors still on. Still, a full pound heavier than what was reported.
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Yup, the new Diverges is definitely much heavier than last year Diverge, even though FS was supposed to just add 200g-300g