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Old 01-04-16, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronmcd
The race last night pushed me over the edge and I have a cough and sore throat today. I guess I'll sleep in tomorrow. It'll be raining all week though, now I'm wishing I had rollers. My wife actually prefers I spend money than ride in the rain. If I want to do up to 400 watts would I need resistance?
I would prefer you don't train at all this week - so I can beat you next week!

Really though, on my rollers (2.5" kreitlers), I can hit 400w without resistance. However I don't necessarily want to hold that, for fear of riding off the rollers themselves.. which is not the rollers fault.

The "inside ride"-type rollers would probably easier to hold higher wattage on.
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You'll probably beat me - I think that was a freak occurrence. What are inside ride rollers?
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they are expensive but very nice - I've not been able to comfortably stand on other rollers.
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they are expensive but very nice - I've not been able to comfortably stand on other rollers.
Do you own those?
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I used to. They were the best rollers I'd ever ridden.
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Do you own those?
I did, then I stupidly sold them back to the guy I bought them from when I broke the clavicle and bought a trainer to ride for those weeks. I thought I wouldn't need them both.
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How about the Arion model? Cheaper from same company
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1:20 on zwift. did 2 x 20' intervals, treated the second one as a quasi-test and hit 213W for the 20'!!! highest in a long while. Setting my FTP at 200W now.

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Originally Posted by Ygduf
I did, then I stupidly sold them back to the guy I bought them from when I broke the clavicle and bought a trainer to ride for those weeks. I thought I wouldn't need them both.
Training...(sure I posted before)
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1:45 on the rollers, 4*10'. so cold out that i barely even needed a fan in my basement.

Originally Posted by aaronmcd
How about the Arion model? Cheaper from same company
incorrect. we're talking about the e-motion rollers from insideride.com, not the elite e-motion rollers. at least, that's what G and I are talking about, idk about fudgy. i really like the inside ride rollers. although if you're on a budget I was definitely able to stand on my old basic rollers and dropping tire pressure can help add more resistance. tbh, i'm not sure the insideride rollers would have been worth it to me at retail, but that's all a personal judgement call.

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Squats and deadlifts first thing in the morning. I seem to be 20% weaker in the morning compared to lifting after work.
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Old 01-05-16, 08:30 AM
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Training...(sure I posted before)
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A train! A train!
A train! A train!
Could you, would you,
on a train?
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Originally Posted by mike868y
1:45 on the rollers, 4*10'. so cold out that i barely even needed a fan in my basement.



incorrect. we're talking about the e-motion rollers from insideride.com, not the elite e-motion rollers. at least, that's what G and I are talking about, idk about fudgy. i really like the inside ride rollers. although if you're on a budget I was definitely able to stand on my old basic rollers and dropping tire pressure can help add more resistance. tbh, i'm not sure the insideride rollers would have been worth it to me at retail, but that's all a personal judgement call.

I'm not sure if you can get the elite emotions domestically. They license the design from inside ride for Euro sales. To my mind, having never used them, they're inferior without the bars to keep you from bouncing out when sprinting. I can do anything on these I can do outside. In many cases I can do it better indoors. The sole exception being all out sprints. I just can't hit my max wattage numbers on these, though it isn't that I fall off or anything. Once they take their Ant+ resistance unit out of beta I think these things will be far and away the best trainer available.
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do you have any issues with your rear tire slipping while out of the saddle?
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when I'm sprinting, which I guess is why I can't hit my max wattage. I tend to do my sprints longer on these, compensating for not hitting the big boom. smaller peak, 30 second type sprints.
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gon' be 1.5hrs easy whenever I get to setting up the trainer.
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Well I don't think I'll pay $900 just to sprint inside when it rains. I found an Arion mag free with broken roller, so I'll pick that up and see if I can replace the roller before I miss too much.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
A train! A train!
A train! A train!
Could you, would you,
on a train?
not sure what is pictured is of any sort of value other than to pass the time
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I managed to get out between rain showers. Did intervals 3x15. Was able to hold same power as my 3x10 intervals last month. I need to do another FTP test. I'm estimating my FTP, I've lost weight but have same power.
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Old 01-05-16, 12:20 PM
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Well I don't think I'll pay $900 just to sprint inside when it rains. I found an Arion mag free with broken roller, so I'll pick that up and see if I can replace the roller before I miss too much.
I've got rollers and a trainer. The rollers I have are the no frills nashbar aluminum version and I use them for recovery or lighter rides. I use a fluid trainer for harder interval workouts and recently started using it for sprints.

I can get up to 300 watts or so on the rollers with some synthetic resistance (towel under drum), but don't see myself comfortably going higher than that. The rest I do on the trainer and can get that up to plenty of watts for sprints. The inside ride look awesome, but $900 is a big cost for what little time we spend indoors in NorCal.
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1.5 hours this morning, outside in the rain!

Slapped some parts on an old frame last night, now I have a bike I don't give a **** about as far as being clean, yay.
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I've got rollers and a trainer. The rollers I have are the no frills nashbar aluminum version and I use them for recovery or lighter rides. I use a fluid trainer for harder interval workouts and recently started using it for sprints.

I can get up to 300 watts or so on the rollers with some synthetic resistance (towel under drum), but don't see myself comfortably going higher than that. The rest I do on the trainer and can get that up to plenty of watts for sprints. The inside ride look awesome, but $900 is a big cost for what little time we spend indoors in NorCal.
I used to have a set of minoura mag rollers. Once I got my inside ride rollers the Minouras began duty as warm up rollers. I could comfortably hit whatever wattage I needed (outside of standing). When my minouras died I bought a set of Kurt rollers. Sadly they're so smooth to crack 300 I'd be in the biggest gear spinning a million rpms. I added to tool magnets under Fudgy's direction and it much improved. Though the magnets have a tendency to slide and things get a bit easier as I go on


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I've mentioned this before (with pics) here or in the 41: with $20 it is pretty trivial to add resistance to aluminum drum rollers that have an alloy (Fe in there somewhere) frame. Buy a neodymium magnet and stick it on the frame very close to the drums. The resistance is very natural feeling. Adjusting the space between the magnet and the drum will change the resistance. I use this setup every week for intervals.

edit: just saw the above post. My setup is even simpler, no wood, no zip ties, just the magnet.
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