Originally Posted by big john

I know. After all the Saturn dealers closed I got to work on a ton of them. Was never really a fan of the old buzz-bomb 1.9. Simple, but meh. Then there was a butt-load of the hybrid Vue things to deal with. First, the leaking hybrid batteries, then the recall of the batteries leaking or not. I accidentally shorted something and fried the 200 amp fuse in the rear cargo area of one and balls of red hot molten metal rained down, burning holes in the carpet. Luckily the car was hammered so the carpet didn't matter.

That might have been my biggest screw-up with an electric or hybrid car. I did once take the battery out of a Volt without disabling it but didn't get shocked.

All the later model Saturns were just re-badged Chevrolets, so familiar turf.

I just remembered they had that awful V-6, a Vauxall, I think. Oh, and the Astra. How could I ever forget the Astra. The only thing marketed by GM that had it's own language. You couldn't plug a Tech 2 into it and read data until you erased the Tech 2 and reloaded it with Astra specific programs. Ridiculous. Later lap-top apps had a program you could use with an interface device to talk to the Astra but it always needed to be updated when one of the cars came in, even to just read a code. Generic code readers would work, though.

Originally Posted by datlas

The Saturns of the 1990s were great cars IMO. The 1.9 is nearly indestructible as long as you check the oil. Mine has 184K on it and among the saturn people, they are considering this as a middle aged engine.

Originally Posted by Bah Humbug

So at least I shouldn’t feel weak for it. I had wondered if I should have the trainer bike set up as a roadie, but probably better to be in TT position for the easy parts and get on the horns for power. Microshift TT shifters were cheaper, too.

Originally Posted by big john

Like I said, simple, but meh. So many of them have that awful vibration. Maybe new motor mounts could help, I never got that far with one.

I had my S-10 Blazer for 18 years and sold it running well with close to 300K on it. I neglected it in a big way for years but it refused to quit. It had the notoriously wimpy 2.8 V6. Never had the heads off or the pan.
I have 190K on my Trailblazer, runs nice. Hasn't been neglected yet, give me time.

Originally Posted by LAJ

The awful vibration is the A/C line on the firewall. That's the noise part of it, anyway.

Originally Posted by LAJ

Nothing says quality like the Catera and Saturn LC Series with that Opel (snot) V-6. Hurl-worthy.

Originally Posted by bampilot06

It seems like that’s first symptom of over training for me. My legs get like this restless feeling and it makes it hard to sleep. I usually end up on the floor so I don’t keep the wife awake.

Originally Posted by MoAlpha

You may have restless leg syndrome, which is very common and can be exercise related. It can be treated quite effectively by a knowledgeable physician, i.e., a neurologist with competence in movement disorders. However, there are plenty of docs just throwing sleeping pills at it, which is to be avoided at all costs. If you want to see someone, VCU is probably your best local resource.

Originally Posted by MoAlpha

You may have restless leg syndrome, which is very common and can be exercise related. It can be treated quite effectively by a knowledgeable physician, i.e., a neurologist with competence in movement disorders. However, there are plenty of docs just throwing sleeping pills at it, which is to be avoided at all costs. If you want to see someone, VCU is probably your best local resource.

Originally Posted by MoAlpha

You may have restless leg syndrome, which is very common and can be exercise related. It can be treated quite effectively by a knowledgeable physician, i.e., a neurologist with competence in movement disorders. However, there are plenty of docs just throwing sleeping pills at it, which is to be avoided at all costs. If you want to see someone, VCU is probably your best local resource.

Originally Posted by LAJ

When I decided to throw comfort out the window, and concentrate on aero, my power sucked, but I moved. Had I done that sooner in my life, and been more firm with my coach, I/we would be money right now. He is an advocate of power over everything, but I finally talked him into getting lower, just to see and prove it, because that's where I was going. He did it, dropped a good 10% power, which matched my readings yet realized he was going faster from day one. We both did it too late for the 40k, but the results were encouraging, to say the least. I'll be spending my off season getting stronger on that. I know a tri set up needs to be much more forgiving, but there are few people that can match road bike power on a TT bike. Rohan Dennis is one of them, but he's a freak.I say that in a very good way.

Originally Posted by big john

Mrs John says she has that. She's sedentary, however. I never get it, I get rapid heartbeat after over doing it. Had some a-fib a couple years ago but nothing was done.
I just got the "you look good for your age" diagnosis.

Originally Posted by LAJ

Tell me more, please. Mrs. LAJ and her Mom both suffer through it. I get it, but only when The Gimp has been setting my training load, and that's almost expected, as you say.

Originally Posted by Trsnrtr

OK, Smartass,

Originally Posted by MoAlpha

Very common throughout the population. I take anything that disrupts sleep pretty seriously.


The genetics and the mechanism are just beginning to be worked out, but there are some pretty specific treatments available. Any good movement disorder doc should be able to handle it. It's also closely associated with something called "periodic movements of sleep," which can be quite disruptive too. Anyone who's really annoyed by it or has it bad enough to cause daytime sleepiness should get it seen.

Originally Posted by MoAlpha

I don't think I would like a TT bike very much and hills must be simply agonizing. Fortunately, I don't have space for one.

I am getting a gradually lower, but I need to work on flattening the lumbar spine when I'm in the drops. I keep my shoulders down and my elbows bent I hunch up and get achy if I'm not constantly working on it.

Originally Posted by LAJ

Thank you. The MIL has been dealing with it for a long time, and back then, like you said, it was more of a muscle relaxer, sleeping pill, and other pill cure, which were largely ineffective. Since Mrs. LAJ is now starting to show signs, I'll have to tell them to rattle some cages.

Originally Posted by MoAlpha

My MIL had it and was prescribed clonazepam, a long-acting sedative, which practically put her in a coma a few times. Pills tend to be what's on offer, but anyone with a bad or difficult-to-treat case should be worked up for a disorder of iron metabolism, which can be very subtle and hard to trace. That is, the usual iron tests can be normal.

Originally Posted by bampilot06

not sure if it’s that or if is like whyfi said, where my quads have a dull pain and I am trying to relieve it. if that makes sense.

Originally Posted by indyfabz

As I was riding through the valley a woman pulled out of her driveway on what I think is what Cannondale is calling its touring bike and said “tag” to me.

Originally Posted by DougRNS

Vol being vol. SMH.

Originally Posted by big john

I've heard stories from car mechanics who have moved from salt states and have worked on corroded cars a bit myself. They say you can't have a shop without a cutting torch and you have to make a lot of brake and fuel lines.

Originally Posted by LAJ

Upsides/Downsides With rust, it's been about 20 years minimum that anyone has had to work on a carburetor and the car it came on. Old feedback Quadrajets are crap, and there are still many of those heaps on the road here.