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11-15-23, 08:24 AM
#4201
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11-15-23, 08:26 AM
#4202
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11-15-23, 08:28 AM
#4203
Super Modest
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11-15-23, 08:30 AM
#4204
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11-15-23, 08:49 AM
#4206
he said member
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11-15-23, 09:24 AM
#4207
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
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Location: SF Bay Area
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You're hinting a decent strategy for nabbing KOMs: pick the segments that the fast guys avoid.
My one actual KOM is a 500 meter climb off Highway 1, so obscure that the fast guys don't go there. And at the bottom, you have to bunny hop a speed dip at high speed or risk wheel damage.
My one actual KOM is a 500 meter climb off Highway 1, so obscure that the fast guys don't go there. And at the bottom, you have to bunny hop a speed dip at high speed or risk wheel damage.
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11-15-23, 09:24 AM
#4208
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Don't see myself needing one any time soon. I've been successfully avoiding hills for years, so long as I avoid getting trapped on a hilly ride by Mrs BD,
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11-15-23, 09:28 AM
#4209
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
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I had a long travel day yesterday. Well, maybe not really so long, but it FELT long because I was basically travelling from pre-dawn to post-sunset). Takeoff delayed like an hour and a half, but with the tailwind we were only an hour late into Dulles. I lucked out and had an aisle seat with nobody next to me, but I find even in Steerage, 777s have enough leg room. Not like 737s, where the seatback-to-seatback distance is exactly equal to the length of my femurs.
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11-15-23, 09:30 AM
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11-15-23, 09:48 AM
#4211
VFL For Life
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It is almost impossible to make out details in DougRNS 's photos, isn't it?
Last night the KCB director engaged in trolling that would have earned your seal of approval. After my rant last week, the first thing he did was have the percussion work on The Toymaker's Workshop again. SMH
11-15-23, 10:04 AM
#4212
cowboy, steel horse, etc
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11-15-23, 10:25 AM
#4213
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And sadly (from my POV) the director eliminated the summer outdoor venues next year and we're playing in a middle school.
11-15-23, 10:41 AM
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Giving the free garmin training program a try. Threw in my info and made up a race date of march 9 just to see what it does. I made it last night and it wanted to start yesterday, which obviously wasn’t going to happen. Day 1 was supposed to be like a ramp test so I downloaded it and expected to do that today. Instead it went a head to day 2 which was a zone 2 ride. I didn’t see anyway to move it a day so that was a little frustrating. Did the ride stayed in zone 2 which I have been a little off the last several mont which explains why I have been slower. All of my Zone 2 rides for the past several months have actually been more like zone 1.
The other thing that was a little frustrating but didn’t matter much today since it was just 2 hours of zone 2 was the work out page on my garmin unit only showed time and distance nothing else. Tomorrow is supposed to be four 3 minute threshold intervals, so I am concerned it’s not going to tell me when to start the interval and end the interval. I can’t find any information about it online.
Also it my HR data uploads to the garmin connect and you can see it on strava but on the actual training plan page for todays ride it says no heart rate data recorded but if I click on the ride it shows it. Weird.
The other thing that was a little frustrating but didn’t matter much today since it was just 2 hours of zone 2 was the work out page on my garmin unit only showed time and distance nothing else. Tomorrow is supposed to be four 3 minute threshold intervals, so I am concerned it’s not going to tell me when to start the interval and end the interval. I can’t find any information about it online.
Also it my HR data uploads to the garmin connect and you can see it on strava but on the actual training plan page for todays ride it says no heart rate data recorded but if I click on the ride it shows it. Weird.
11-15-23, 10:59 AM
#4215
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bampilot06 aren't you working with a coach? Does the coach help with your training plans at all? The canned plans can have results for some people, but they are not for everyone.
If you are interesting in training, there are basically three options:
1) Self-learn and self-coach
2) Follow canned plans
3) Utilize a coach's paid service
I've always done 1) since I like to be a nerd about this stuff. I had some paid coaching consultation sessions early this year and the advice I got paid dividends in my training and fitness. A monthly fee with weekly feedback was not in my budget. The TL;DR version of 1) is to ride more z2 volume early, than cut the miles down and add intensity as you approach racing, which I'm sure you were aware of. Make sure to take rest weeks once/month where you ride 50% of normal.
Also keep in mind that not everyone likes to train and there are plenty of people (racers too) who like to just ride by fun and feel. If you do chose to pursue training, make sure to listen to your body, remain flexible and incorporate some rest and recovery. I think your schedule may be lacking in R&R. Your performance may improve if you back off a little.
If you are interesting in training, there are basically three options:
1) Self-learn and self-coach
2) Follow canned plans
3) Utilize a coach's paid service
I've always done 1) since I like to be a nerd about this stuff. I had some paid coaching consultation sessions early this year and the advice I got paid dividends in my training and fitness. A monthly fee with weekly feedback was not in my budget. The TL;DR version of 1) is to ride more z2 volume early, than cut the miles down and add intensity as you approach racing, which I'm sure you were aware of. Make sure to take rest weeks once/month where you ride 50% of normal.
Also keep in mind that not everyone likes to train and there are plenty of people (racers too) who like to just ride by fun and feel. If you do chose to pursue training, make sure to listen to your body, remain flexible and incorporate some rest and recovery. I think your schedule may be lacking in R&R. Your performance may improve if you back off a little.
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so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
11-15-23, 11:03 AM
#4216
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I learned during the pandemic that I enjoyed training as much as racing, possibly more. Still trained pretty hard and maintained a high level, even though I only raced till mid March, or whenever that was. That was eye opening or me.
I like developing a plan, executing it and "working out" in general. Feeds my obsessive need to plan things and to get some endorphins to calm my anxious personality, doubly whammy.
I like developing a plan, executing it and "working out" in general. Feeds my obsessive need to plan things and to get some endorphins to calm my anxious personality, doubly whammy.
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"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
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11-15-23, 11:05 AM
#4217
Silver Comet Fred
11-15-23, 11:07 AM
#4218
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Giving the free garmin training program a try. Threw in my info and made up a race date of march 9 just to see what it does. I made it last night and it wanted to start yesterday, which obviously wasn’t going to happen. Day 1 was supposed to be like a ramp test so I downloaded it and expected to do that today. Instead it went a head to day 2 which was a zone 2 ride. I didn’t see anyway to move it a day so that was a little frustrating. Did the ride stayed in zone 2 which I have been a little off the last several mont which explains why I have been slower. All of my Zone 2 rides for the past several months have actually been more like zone 1.
The other thing that was a little frustrating but didn’t matter much today since it was just 2 hours of zone 2 was the work out page on my garmin unit only showed time and distance nothing else. Tomorrow is supposed to be four 3 minute threshold intervals, so I am concerned it’s not going to tell me when to start the interval and end the interval. I can’t find any information about it online.
Also it my HR data uploads to the garmin connect and you can see it on strava but on the actual training plan page for todays ride it says no heart rate data recorded but if I click on the ride it shows it. Weird.
The other thing that was a little frustrating but didn’t matter much today since it was just 2 hours of zone 2 was the work out page on my garmin unit only showed time and distance nothing else. Tomorrow is supposed to be four 3 minute threshold intervals, so I am concerned it’s not going to tell me when to start the interval and end the interval. I can’t find any information about it online.
Also it my HR data uploads to the garmin connect and you can see it on strava but on the actual training plan page for todays ride it says no heart rate data recorded but if I click on the ride it shows it. Weird.
11-15-23, 11:09 AM
#4219
Silver Comet Fred
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11-15-23, 11:19 AM
#4220
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rain on the forecast for this evening; it may be a bit wet for my ~2.5 mile ride home from work. Gonna throw a lite shell in my backpack to put on over my fleece in case its a bit wet for the return leg.
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"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
11-15-23, 11:20 AM
#4221
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bampilot06 aren't you working with a coach? Does the coach help with your training plans at all? The canned plans can have results for some people, but they are not for everyone.
If you are interesting in training, there are basically three options:
1) Self-learn and self-coach
2) Follow canned plans
3) Utilize a coach's paid service
I've always done 1) since I like to be a nerd about this stuff. I had some paid coaching consultation sessions early this year and the advice I got paid dividends in my training and fitness. A monthly fee with weekly feedback was not in my budget. The TL;DR version of 1) is to ride more z2 volume early, than cut the miles down and add intensity as you approach racing, which I'm sure you were aware of. Make sure to take rest weeks once/month where you ride 50% of normal.
Also keep in mind that not everyone likes to train and there are plenty of people (racers too) who like to just ride by fun and feel. If you do chose to pursue training, make sure to listen to your body, remain flexible and incorporate some rest and recovery. I think your schedule may be lacking in R&R. Your performance may improve if you back off a little.
If you are interesting in training, there are basically three options:
1) Self-learn and self-coach
2) Follow canned plans
3) Utilize a coach's paid service
I've always done 1) since I like to be a nerd about this stuff. I had some paid coaching consultation sessions early this year and the advice I got paid dividends in my training and fitness. A monthly fee with weekly feedback was not in my budget. The TL;DR version of 1) is to ride more z2 volume early, than cut the miles down and add intensity as you approach racing, which I'm sure you were aware of. Make sure to take rest weeks once/month where you ride 50% of normal.
Also keep in mind that not everyone likes to train and there are plenty of people (racers too) who like to just ride by fun and feel. If you do chose to pursue training, make sure to listen to your body, remain flexible and incorporate some rest and recovery. I think your schedule may be lacking in R&R. Your performance may improve if you back off a little.
He basically disowned me. When Simon was born I was riding at like 10 pm and eventually switching to 4 am. He doesn’t like that and basically doesn’t help me anymore. He used to give me guidance but hasn’t for a long time. Also, he does training rides with a group of the team but I am never available. If I have a question I am sure I can ask but kind of just let it alone for now until I can start riding at a normal time again.
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11-15-23, 11:22 AM
#4222
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Superguppy alert, she's flying from Huntsville to El Paso today
Takeoff
10:57AM CST
Scheduled 10:00AM CST
Landing
02:14PM MST
Scheduled 01:15PM MST
Takeoff
10:57AM CST
Scheduled 10:00AM CST
Landing
02:14PM MST
Scheduled 01:15PM MST
11-15-23, 11:26 AM
#4223
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. In general I prefer commuting on the MTB... Don't need to mind my front wheel as much. Kinda crappy pavement in Kearney Mesa San Diego. I just pump up the tires a little more.
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so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
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11-15-23, 11:45 AM
#4224
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Is middle school the same as junior high? Because JHS kids are brutal.
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11-15-23, 12:53 PM
#4225
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TMonk
Question. I think this has what has been throwing me off the last several months. On my garmin, the main screen I use shows HR, 3 second power etc but it also shows what power zone I am in. Which is nice. So I would stay in zone 2 as much as possible but my HR would be really low. Example:
So power shows I am in zone 2 but my HR shows I am in recovery, which I think has been detrimental and why I have been regressing.
I noticed this trend last night so today since I was following an actual plan I decided to focus on keeping my HR in zone 2 so above 130 which worked really well and felt great and honestly felt like I used to feel, but according to my head unit I was at the very top of zone 2 or bottom zone 3 for most of my ride.
Why do I have such a big difference between my HR zones and my power zones? Do I need to do another test?
Question. I think this has what has been throwing me off the last several months. On my garmin, the main screen I use shows HR, 3 second power etc but it also shows what power zone I am in. Which is nice. So I would stay in zone 2 as much as possible but my HR would be really low. Example:
So power shows I am in zone 2 but my HR shows I am in recovery, which I think has been detrimental and why I have been regressing.
I noticed this trend last night so today since I was following an actual plan I decided to focus on keeping my HR in zone 2 so above 130 which worked really well and felt great and honestly felt like I used to feel, but according to my head unit I was at the very top of zone 2 or bottom zone 3 for most of my ride.
Why do I have such a big difference between my HR zones and my power zones? Do I need to do another test?
