Advice on Purchasing 2011 S-Works from Private Seller
#26
Please elaborate (not the comment on Di2 and disk brakes). If lighter frames and lighter components do not lead to easier riding, then why do people pay big bucks for them? Prestige only?
#27
Do a little research on the topic. It's been discussed here many many times
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#29
You are correct. Sorry. Found this with just a little research: "But even if small reductions can’t be felt, the fact is that a lighter bike requires objectively less power to move. Especially on climbs, the power-to-weight ratio of bike and rider plays a huge part in overall performance."
On climbs, bike weight makes a difference, but it's a very small difference. I weigh 183lbs, and my bike weighs 17lbs(just an example), or 200lbs total. If I drop 2 lbs off the bike, that is a 1% weight reduction.
How much of a difference do you think that will make in speed?
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#30
Correct.
On climbs, bike weight makes a difference, but it's a very small difference. I weigh 183lbs, and my bike weighs 17lbs(just an example), or 200lbs total. If I drop 2 lbs off the bike, that is a 1% weight reduction.
How much of a difference do you think that will make in speed?
On climbs, bike weight makes a difference, but it's a very small difference. I weigh 183lbs, and my bike weighs 17lbs(just an example), or 200lbs total. If I drop 2 lbs off the bike, that is a 1% weight reduction.
How much of a difference do you think that will make in speed?
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#31
FTR, my bike is slightly under 17lbs with 9000 series Di2 and hydraulic discs.
#32
A light bicycle handles better, accelerates slightly quicker, and brakes slightly faster. Lightweight bikes are more enjoyable to ride(JMO) but average speed changes very little(except on steeper climbs)
FTR, my bike is slightly under 17lbs with 9000 series Di2 and hydraulic discs.
FTR, my bike is slightly under 17lbs with 9000 series Di2 and hydraulic discs.
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#34
That does help a lot. I am riding a 2009 Roubaix Comp with very nice Dura Ace wheels. I have been thinking of upgrading to a 2016 or later S-works Roubaix. I figured that going from 9r to 11r frame and from 105 to Dura-Ace components would make a difference in the speed-to-effort ratio. I also desire Di2 shifting and disk brakes, but that is more icing on the cake.
I don't think I'll go disc anytime soon since I really don't race in the rain, but do fancy the new etap wireless shifting stuff, so maybe someday I'll buy the etap groupset and upgrade my 10 s-works, since it's not compatible with di2 which needed internal cabling to run...
On the lighter bike is faster thing, I agree with Noodle Soup... My sub 17lb bike is not any faster than my sub 21lb bike. Only very slightly faster when climbing hills, since I live on hills... The amount of effort felt the same when climbing, but again I'm not a racer just love to ride for fun. If you have the money to spend on a $10k bike, sure why not, buy it, show it off in group rides or win races, which ever make you feel better
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#35
My 2009 Roubaix Comp is with 105 groupsets and I put on an Ultegra Wheelset and ran tubeless tires on it, and it actually made quite a big improvement on the rolling resistance compared to the stock Specialized/Mavic CXP wheelset and cheap tires, which was quite heavy and felt slow at times. With new wheelset, the weight of the bike actually also dropped to sub 21lb, compared to stock wheelset/tires and tubes at sub 24lb.
I don't think I'll go disc anytime soon since I really don't race in the rain, but do fancy the new etap wireless shifting stuff, so maybe someday I'll buy the etap groupset and upgrade my 10 s-works, since it's not compatible with di2 which needed internal cabling to run...
On the lighter bike is faster thing, I agree with Noodle Soup... My sub 17lb bike is not any faster than my sub 21lb bike. Only very slightly faster when climbing hills, since I live on hills... The amount of effort felt the same when climbing, but again I'm not a racer just love to ride for fun. If you have the money to spend on a $10k bike, sure why not, buy it, show it off in group rides or win races, which ever make you feel better
I don't think I'll go disc anytime soon since I really don't race in the rain, but do fancy the new etap wireless shifting stuff, so maybe someday I'll buy the etap groupset and upgrade my 10 s-works, since it's not compatible with di2 which needed internal cabling to run...
On the lighter bike is faster thing, I agree with Noodle Soup... My sub 17lb bike is not any faster than my sub 21lb bike. Only very slightly faster when climbing hills, since I live on hills... The amount of effort felt the same when climbing, but again I'm not a racer just love to ride for fun. If you have the money to spend on a $10k bike, sure why not, buy it, show it off in group rides or win races, which ever make you feel better
Having said all that, I recently found a new 2019 S-works Roubaix on sale for $6799 which is a bit tempting.
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However if this is Specialized current offer for their NOS, then I guess that is what it is.
#37
In the 2020 spring sale Specialized was offering the new old stock 2019 S-Works Roubaix for slightly less than that. So maybe not so good deal for purchaser but good deal for seller.
However if this is Specialized current offer for their NOS, then I guess that is what it is.
However if this is Specialized current offer for their NOS, then I guess that is what it is.
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#39
As to price, $2500 seems reasonable for a Di2 11sp bike in pristine condition, considering the 303 wheels which are ballpark 850 on ebay.
If it's built 11 speed, and is in less than pristine condition, I would be closer to $2000.
HOWEVER, Dunno if it's been mentioned, but the SL3 frameset was the Tom Boonen era, and pretty much everyone agrees it was far too stiff for normal cyclists (read: non compliant for non gorillas). Specialized learned their lesson and the SL4 was much better.
I have an SL2, and had an SL4 and both were much better riding (the SL4 was better/more compliant than the SL2). But I am relating what everyone (dealers and riders) was talking about wrt the SL3 at the time.
I personally would hold our for finding an SL4 at minimum. (All of the above is SWorks only).
If it's built 11 speed, and is in less than pristine condition, I would be closer to $2000.
HOWEVER, Dunno if it's been mentioned, but the SL3 frameset was the Tom Boonen era, and pretty much everyone agrees it was far too stiff for normal cyclists (read: non compliant for non gorillas). Specialized learned their lesson and the SL4 was much better.
I have an SL2, and had an SL4 and both were much better riding (the SL4 was better/more compliant than the SL2). But I am relating what everyone (dealers and riders) was talking about wrt the SL3 at the time.
I personally would hold our for finding an SL4 at minimum. (All of the above is SWorks only).
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BTW - that looks 10speed, not 11 speed. Edit - other posted that - sorry for repeating.