Anti-bicycle rant by Dowd Muska. Is Big-Bicycle a growing threat to America?
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I ride primarily for the environment, but I don't preach to anyone about it, so what does anyone care? I've thought about printing on the back of the shirt an image of an oil spill and the words "I'm not buying from them" but decided not to. I'll talk about it if someone asks but I'm doing it for my reasons, and other people will have to come to their own decisions.
I have the same feelings about actual religion; I go to church but I am NOT in favor of evangelism.
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Now you know otherwise: https://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_ki.../91473374.html
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There's a big luck factor. People get killed in pathetic bar brawls because they stumble and hit their head on something. Even a runner could do the damage (although it's less likely, because they're going slower and have more control).
Incidentally, this provides excellent reason to avoid a fist fight. You could be the unlucky one that kills the other guy or the unlucky one killed. Even if both of you have no idea how to fight.
Incidentally, this provides excellent reason to avoid a fist fight. You could be the unlucky one that kills the other guy or the unlucky one killed. Even if both of you have no idea how to fight.
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I ride primarily for the environment, but I don't preach to anyone about it, so what does anyone care? I've thought about printing on the back of the shirt an image of an oil spill and the words "I'm not buying from them" but decided not to. I'll talk about it if someone asks but I'm doing it for my reasons, and other people will have to come to their own decisions.
I have the same feelings about actual religion; I go to church but I am NOT in favor of evangelism.
I have the same feelings about actual religion; I go to church but I am NOT in favor of evangelism.
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I've been buzzed by cyclists in N. Chickasaw Trail without a warning. My left shoulder got hit by the cyclist's left shoulder and it hurt. The cyclist who bumped into my left shoulder so hard did not give me a warning from afar.
I'd like to ride my bicycle in the road to the grocery store instead of walking or taking a bus but I couldn't, even though I saw two cyclists riding 2-abreast in the road that surprised me. My mom told me that because I'm blind in my left eye, she told me that I should not take the risk on riding in the road, as motorists does not like bicyclists. But if I do take the risk, my mom told me that I might lose my vision in my right eye, on which I'll be completely blind. Unfortunately, I have to either take a bus or walk to any destination that is about 1+ mile away.
Either way, walking or taking a bus is just too inefficient for me and unfortunately, I've been way too obsessive with transportation issues.
So, I could probably understand Dowd Muska's view when it comes to bikes being a threat to Americans. I'm sorry, but I think I'm beginning to have some trouble siding with cyclists in this thread.
I'd like to ride my bicycle in the road to the grocery store instead of walking or taking a bus but I couldn't, even though I saw two cyclists riding 2-abreast in the road that surprised me. My mom told me that because I'm blind in my left eye, she told me that I should not take the risk on riding in the road, as motorists does not like bicyclists. But if I do take the risk, my mom told me that I might lose my vision in my right eye, on which I'll be completely blind. Unfortunately, I have to either take a bus or walk to any destination that is about 1+ mile away.
Either way, walking or taking a bus is just too inefficient for me and unfortunately, I've been way too obsessive with transportation issues.
So, I could probably understand Dowd Muska's view when it comes to bikes being a threat to Americans. I'm sorry, but I think I'm beginning to have some trouble siding with cyclists in this thread.
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Did anyone bother to read his BIO?
Single by choice? This guy is probably so awkward and out of touch with reality no one except his own family will put up with being around him. I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously.
Single and child-free by choice, theres no way hes going to miss out on the formative years of Aidan Joseph OBrien, his beautiful (and off-the-scale-IQ) nephew.
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Anti-cycling rants are the new Big Media troll. That is, post anti-cycling rant (especially in a cycling friendly area), sell more papers, get more page hits, get more comments. No different than an SUV rant (or a sub-compact rant depending on what part of the country you are from) back when gas was $4 a gallon, anti-(or pro) environmentalist rant, etc. etc. etc.
Nothing sells papers like pissing off a certain demographic.
Nothing sells papers like pissing off a certain demographic.
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Aw gee maybe this poor misguided jerk was tramatized by a bicycle at a young age. Or maybe he is one of the few people in the world that cant ride a bike. So he is trying to get even.
Maybe truck drivers should rant against him being in the way with his SUV.
Maybe truck drivers should rant against him being in the way with his SUV.
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Ok, sorry to nag you. This one happened in my back yard, on a trail I've been on before, and the authorities are starting to come up with some very restrictive rules as a result of it. So, for me, it's very salient. They're talking about an enforced 10 mph limit as well as dismount-and-walk zones...
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I find it interesting when so-called conservatives chastise the bicycle. For a group that believes in rugged individualism, self reliance and doing more with less the bicycle seems to be the natural choice. Why insist on the auto as the only viable transportation method as it day keeps nations flush with dollars for oil who don't particularly like us or the foundations to our freedoms.
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I find it interesting when so-called conservatives chastise the bicycle. For a group that believes in rugged individualism, self reliance and doing more with less the bicycle seems to be the natural choice. Why insist on the auto as the only viable transportation method as it day keeps nations flush with dollars for oil who don't particularly like us or the foundations to our freedoms.
In areas where bicycling is not perceived to have an anti-car motivation, there is particularly strong support for bicycling among conservatives. Since I live in a highly conservative area, I avoid bashing cars when promoting the benefits of cycling, mostly for the individual who exercises his right to choose it.
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Further reading of his CV would seem to indicate that he's been unemployed since 2007.
So here's the run-down from an analysis of his CV:
Barely graduated college, held a couple of slacker jobs at no-name think tanks, got fired, slunk back home to mooch off the folks and pretend he's a writer by verbally puking on the internet.
You rock, big boy!
So here's the run-down from an analysis of his CV:
Barely graduated college, held a couple of slacker jobs at no-name think tanks, got fired, slunk back home to mooch off the folks and pretend he's a writer by verbally puking on the internet.
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I'd like to ride my bicycle in the road to the grocery store instead of walking or taking a bus but I couldn't, even though I saw two cyclists riding 2-abreast in the road that surprised me. My mom told me that because I'm blind in my left eye, she told me that I should not take the risk on riding in the road, as motorists does not like bicyclists. But if I do take the risk, my mom told me that I might lose my vision in my right eye, on which I'll be completely blind. Unfortunately, I have to either take a bus or walk to any destination that is about 1+ mile away.
And I am sorry about your vision problem but I don't see how riding a bike more than a mile could cause you to lose the vision in your other eye. As I am sure as in any city and neighborhood that there are streets between you and your destination that see very little traffic and that would be safe for you to ride on.
Either way, walking or taking a bus is just too inefficient for me and unfortunately, I've been way too obsessive with transportation issues.
So, I could probably understand Dowd Muska's view when it comes to bikes being a threat to Americans. I'm sorry, but I think I'm beginning to have some trouble siding with cyclists in this thread.![Frown](images/smilies/frown.gif)
So, I could probably understand Dowd Muska's view when it comes to bikes being a threat to Americans. I'm sorry, but I think I'm beginning to have some trouble siding with cyclists in this thread.
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Ok, sorry to nag you. This one happened in my back yard, on a trail I've been on before, and the authorities are starting to come up with some very restrictive rules as a result of it. So, for me, it's very salient. They're talking about an enforced 10 mph limit as well as dismount-and-walk zones...
I think that it safe to say that most of us here are able to ride at 15+MPH on either a multi-speed of even a single speed bike with very little effort. A more reasonable speed limit would be like on the Pinellas Trail of 20MPH.
Even with that speed limit, it is still very easy to go over the speed limit when coasting down any of the bridges that are on the trail.
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Do they plan on purchasing and handing out bike computers/speedometers to everyone so that they know how fast that they're going? If there are any hills, or bridges on your trail cyclists are going to have to ride their brakes in order to obey the speed limit of 10MPH. Where and how long are these purposed dismount-and-walk zones?
I'm sure they'll take the line that a condition of riding on public trials is to do so according to a set of rules, and that anybody who can't or won't do that, can't use the trails. Much like driving. In theory I have no problem with that ... but I think it's a bit draconian in this case.
About 15 miles north is the Burke Gilman Trail, another urban MUP. A several mile section that gets a lot of use ( from beloved Gas Works Park out to the University Bridge ) is divided into two trails, clearly labeled for bike and for pedestrian use. I'm not sure I've ever seen a cyclist on the walking trail, but the last time I was on this MUP I saw a group of joggers stop at the fork for a moment, and then continue their run along the bike trail. It's very clearly marked which is which, but ours is a little bit wider ( to allow for passing ), and so pedestrians ( especially four abreast ) are the biggest obstacle on this trail.
My point is that if elected folks were more interested in improving public safety and less interested in pandering to get votes, they might also require pedestrians to use ped-specific sections of trail, where these are available. And, if city designers want cyclists to use MUPs and stay out of traffic ... hobbling our speed isn't going to help any.
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As far as I know, cyclists aren't going to be getting freebie speedometers. In fact, I think the goals is to show that elected people are doing something about the bicycle menace, and not to, you know, make things safer. So that would pretty much rule speedometers out. ( As an aside, a bike computer has always been the first thing I've got for every bike I've owned, and it's always been set up before I'd ride the bike home from the shop. I always felt it was a safety issue, in some vague, undefined way. Here's what we'd call an "edge case" in the software industry, to validate my opinion... )
I'm sure they'll take the line that a condition of riding on public trials is to do so according to a set of rules, and that anybody who can't or won't do that, can't use the trails. Much like driving. In theory I have no problem with that ... but I think it's a bit draconian in this case.
About 15 miles north is the Burke Gilman Trail, another urban MUP. A several mile section that gets a lot of use ( from beloved Gas Works Park out to the University Bridge ) is divided into two trails, clearly labeled for bike and for pedestrian use. I'm not sure I've ever seen a cyclist on the walking trail, but the last time I was on this MUP I saw a group of joggers stop at the fork for a moment, and then continue their run along the bike trail. It's very clearly marked which is which, but ours is a little bit wider ( to allow for passing ), and so pedestrians ( especially four abreast ) are the biggest obstacle on this trail.
I have also seen cyclists riding two abreast and when encountering a cyclist coming at them from the opposite direction staying two abreast "forcing" them into the pedestrian side of the trail. Doesn't common sense, and courtesy dictate that they go single file when encountering another cyclist so that they don't have to go into the pedestrian side of the trail?
My point is that if elected folks were more interested in improving public safety and less interested in pandering to get votes, they might also require pedestrians to use ped-specific sections of trail, where these are available. And, if city designers want cyclists to use MUPs and stay out of traffic ... hobbling our speed isn't going to help any.
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Aside from providing child care for his nephew he is a self-employed fighter against collectivism. Since bikes do tend to bring people together, it's only natural he would see them as a menace.
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Bicycle industry sales 5.6 Billion dollars a year.
Gasoline sales. 30 Billion dollars... PER MONTH! <-- doesn't include auto sales.
Big bicycle? Really?
Gasoline sales. 30 Billion dollars... PER MONTH! <-- doesn't include auto sales.
Big bicycle? Really?
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As we have all noticed before, it happens every year at this time: De-evolved cretins taking to the internet, newspapers, (dwindling in numbers) and of course, the airwaves, to transmit their anti-bicycle diatribes. And they're always the same, suggesting that these columns and radio shows are pre-assembled, and they just fill in some blanks.
They blow in, they blow out, sort of like bad weather.
Just glancing over some more of this jerk's material though, and it would seem as though he has some serious issues. Bad potty training maybe? Who can say?
They blow in, they blow out, sort of like bad weather.
Just glancing over some more of this jerk's material though, and it would seem as though he has some serious issues. Bad potty training maybe? Who can say?
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Just because I could, I e-mailed this assclown, and politely (yes!) let him know what I thought of his verbal diarrhea. Don't really expect a response.
I was always taught that you had to learn something about a subject before forming an opinion about it, so you have some BASIS for that opinion. I also learned at a pretty young age that opinion without basis is the DEFINITION of prejudice.
I guess that's why they're calling it "racism", or "hate crime" these days, cuz it sure seems lie it's okay to have PREJUDICES!
I was always taught that you had to learn something about a subject before forming an opinion about it, so you have some BASIS for that opinion. I also learned at a pretty young age that opinion without basis is the DEFINITION of prejudice.
I guess that's why they're calling it "racism", or "hate crime" these days, cuz it sure seems lie it's okay to have PREJUDICES!
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Funny how he singles out bicycle lobbyists without a peep about Big-oil, big-car, big-highway, etc etc lobbies. A two-lane highway was just converted to 4-lane highway not too long ago, even though something like 85% of the people nearby were opposed. Total cost: $267 billion.
BTW, these "writers" do have an influence on a certain sect of society. I've been called a socialist three times in my Tea-Party-loving town just for riding my bike; no political slogans on my helmet or anything.
BTW, these "writers" do have an influence on a certain sect of society. I've been called a socialist three times in my Tea-Party-loving town just for riding my bike; no political slogans on my helmet or anything.
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Do they plan on purchasing and handing out bike computers/speedometers to everyone so that they know how fast that they're going? If there are any hills, or bridges on your trail cyclists are going to have to ride their brakes in order to obey the speed limit of 10MPH. Where and how long are these purposed dismount-and-walk zones?
I think that it safe to say that most of us here are able to ride at 15+MPH on either a multi-speed of even a single speed bike with very little effort. A more reasonable speed limit would be like on the Pinellas Trail of 20MPH.
Even with that speed limit, it is still very easy to go over the speed limit when coasting down any of the bridges that are on the trail.
I think that it safe to say that most of us here are able to ride at 15+MPH on either a multi-speed of even a single speed bike with very little effort. A more reasonable speed limit would be like on the Pinellas Trail of 20MPH.
Even with that speed limit, it is still very easy to go over the speed limit when coasting down any of the bridges that are on the trail.
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Uniform speed limits for MUPs are wrong. If well done speed limits change with sight lines, terrain, path design, etc. Post 10mph on short sight lines curves, etc, but 20mph for straight wide sections with long sightlines.
The other consideration is if cyclists will get the 11mph buffer given to motorists?
"Why are speeders allowed an 11 mph buffer? The margin is intended to address language in the Arizona Revised Statutes related to speed offenses that defines, "...reasonable and prudent..." speed. It also provides a reasonable margin of error/grace for inaccurate vehicle speedometers and short-term lapses of attention by otherwise law-abiding and generally cautious drivers."
The other consideration is if cyclists will get the 11mph buffer given to motorists?
"Why are speeders allowed an 11 mph buffer? The margin is intended to address language in the Arizona Revised Statutes related to speed offenses that defines, "...reasonable and prudent..." speed. It also provides a reasonable margin of error/grace for inaccurate vehicle speedometers and short-term lapses of attention by otherwise law-abiding and generally cautious drivers."
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Uniform speed limits for MUPs are wrong. If well done speed limits change with sight lines, terrain, path design, etc. Post 10mph on short sight lines curves, etc, but 20mph for straight wide sections with long sightlines.
The other consideration is if cyclists will get the 11mph buffer given to motorists?
"Why are speeders allowed an 11 mph buffer? The margin is intended to address language in the Arizona Revised Statutes related to speed offenses that defines, "...reasonable and prudent..." speed. It also provides a reasonable margin of error/grace for inaccurate vehicle speedometers and short-term lapses of attention by otherwise law-abiding and generally cautious drivers."
The other consideration is if cyclists will get the 11mph buffer given to motorists?
"Why are speeders allowed an 11 mph buffer? The margin is intended to address language in the Arizona Revised Statutes related to speed offenses that defines, "...reasonable and prudent..." speed. It also provides a reasonable margin of error/grace for inaccurate vehicle speedometers and short-term lapses of attention by otherwise law-abiding and generally cautious drivers."