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not offended. I know when I saw the 258 setting it didn’t look right but I just went with it.
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If you want to look at route profiles, check out Zwiftinsider.com 's "Route Maps And Details", which provides a profile and a description of each.
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Some of them have "Flat" or "Hilly" or similar in the name, but you can always look at the course info - they all have distance and elevation gain.
Oh, and maybe it was just me, but I feel like the boardwalk planks and the gravel roads also slow you down quite a bit (too much, maybe), at least on a road bike.
Oh, and maybe it was just me, but I feel like the boardwalk planks and the gravel roads also slow you down quite a bit (too much, maybe), at least on a road bike.
Of course the one thing they DON'T have in Zwift is real cornering, which means you can descend as fast as your weight and aerodynamic profile can go, without worrying about braking. And if you get up over 36mph and stop pedaling, you'll go into Supertuck, and you can go refill a bottle or grab a snack. Hell, on a long descent, maybe go for a leak!
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yea, that is dumb. I experienced that too, and I even tried to dial it up a little bit to get my speed going and accelerate was dismal, so I stopped trying.
I think I’ve been getting bummed about my mileage but the important thing is I am on the bike and moving. I don’t agree with all the metrics from wahoo. It’s interesting If I run my wahoo through my head unit the data seems to be closer to what I am used to seeing on the road vs the make believe of zwift.
ERG is brutal. I had toto turn it off today half through the first interval session. It got to the point out of the saddle I could not pedal. Was suppose to maintain 765 for 20 seconds. I got to like 712 and all of a sudden I couldn’t pedal. Weird. Or I am just weak, prefer weird.
I think I’ve been getting bummed about my mileage but the important thing is I am on the bike and moving. I don’t agree with all the metrics from wahoo. It’s interesting If I run my wahoo through my head unit the data seems to be closer to what I am used to seeing on the road vs the make believe of zwift.
ERG is brutal. I had toto turn it off today half through the first interval session. It got to the point out of the saddle I could not pedal. Was suppose to maintain 765 for 20 seconds. I got to like 712 and all of a sudden I couldn’t pedal. Weird. Or I am just weak, prefer weird.
What the hell kind of workout are you doing, anyhow?
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Question for the Zwifters: do you get the same experience points for these big group training rides as you do for regular solo rides (30XP/mile, IIRC)?
I was just looking through Strava and saw some rides with 100+ people and average speeds in the region of 25mph. Seems like a flat course in a big ol' peloton would be a good way to rack up miles and XP.
I was just looking through Strava and saw some rides with 100+ people and average speeds in the region of 25mph. Seems like a flat course in a big ol' peloton would be a good way to rack up miles and XP.
You also accumulate 'Drops' which is the currency of Zwift. Ride with one of the Pace Partners and the longer your ride with them, the higher the ratio of drops/mile gets, up to like 1.6.
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Also, whatsonzwift.com has descriptions of each of the workouts on Zwift.
Oh! And trying to do a 10 second, 700+W segment on Erg mode is a problem. It usually takes about 3 seconds for the resistance to come all the way up, which means if you suddenly try to hit 700+ when you get to the gate, you'll spin like a crazed weasel for a couple seconds before you bog down, then if you manage to get to the end gate, it takes 3 seconds for resistance to come back down, so you can't just stop pedaling no matter how gassed you are.
The Companion App allows you to turn Erg mode on and off within a workout, as well as to reduce your FTP bias, and skip to the next section of the workout.
Oh! And trying to do a 10 second, 700+W segment on Erg mode is a problem. It usually takes about 3 seconds for the resistance to come all the way up, which means if you suddenly try to hit 700+ when you get to the gate, you'll spin like a crazed weasel for a couple seconds before you bog down, then if you manage to get to the end gate, it takes 3 seconds for resistance to come back down, so you can't just stop pedaling no matter how gassed you are.
The Companion App allows you to turn Erg mode on and off within a workout, as well as to reduce your FTP bias, and skip to the next section of the workout.
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Ibrahim Maalouf was sitting in with the band on Stephen Colbert, I dunno if they'll put anything up on YouTube but the bumpers are pretty hot.
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And Thundercat killed it, unfortunately Ibrahim didn't sit in on that song.
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My trainer bike does that too. It actually knocks if I'm out of the saddle climbing. I went as far as to assemble the entire bike. Check the headset, take it outside and ride it. Then pull the wheel put it on the trainer....still knocks when climbing.
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Now here’s a typical example of undernourishment. For lunch today I had a sausage sandwich. Im topping that off with some yogurt followed by some pear sauce. Normally that would hold me till dinner. But if I want to gain a little weight maybe I should make it two sausage sandwiches, or maybe a half a chicken.
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Get on a prescribed, multi-week, off-season program, of which Zwift has many, and avoid the heroic workouts.
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Ibrahim Maalouf was sitting in with the band on Stephen Colbert, I dunno if they'll put anything up on YouTube but the bumpers are pretty hot.
Ibrahim Maalouf was sitting in with the band on Stephen Colbert, I dunno if they'll put anything up on YouTube but the bumpers are pretty hot.
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In other words, you need to ramp up to stress like that.
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Seems you're new to intervals and Zwift....
Get to know Zwift a little before diving into the structured stuff. Some of the easy ways to do this are to join a few variable w/Kg group rides or join the 2.5W/Kg pace partner. You'll get a sense of the terrain and the dynamics.
You can certainly do a ramp test for FTP, but personally, I've never liked those. I prefer doing the Innsbruck Climb or a Crit City race. Zwift will compute your FTP from your best 20 Min effort. So then just lower your Zwift FTP and go ride a bunch.
Zwift also has training plans that you can follow. But you need to know what you want to accomplish with the training. Better sprint? Ability to ride 3 hrs, Just push up FTP a little. That will influence what intervals and when. But as Laj has mentioned, this time of year is not really the best time for intensity. Get some hours at Z2 for now. Figure out what your goals are. Add intensity as the new year rolls around.
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so I did do the ramp test, the first day. I had it connected to both my garmin head unit and zwift. What I didn’t know is that the garmin head unit took charge of the wahoo and zwift was in standby.
So what I mean by that, my rider moved in zwift but the resistance stayed the same on hills and flat ground.
The garmin unit had it set to 1 percent resistance.
Anyways at the end of the ramp test it bumped my ftp to 230.
So what I mean by that, my rider moved in zwift but the resistance stayed the same on hills and flat ground.
The garmin unit had it set to 1 percent resistance.
Anyways at the end of the ramp test it bumped my ftp to 230.
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Death spiral. In Erg mode, it tries to keep the power constant, so if you slow your cadence down, it increases the resistance, and if you're unable to put out that power at that cadence and slow down some more, it will keep increasing the resistance till you grind to a halt.
What the hell kind of workout are you doing, anyhow?
What the hell kind of workout are you doing, anyhow?
But also Zwift will disengage ERG if you just stop pedaling. It will resume ERG mode shortly after you start pedaling again and should tell you so.
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so I did do the ramp test, the first day. I had it connected to both my garmin head unit and zwift. What I didn’t know is that the garmin head unit took charge of the wahoo and zwift was in standby.
So what I mean by that, my rider moved in zwift but the resistance stayed the same on hills and flat ground.
The garmin unit had it set to 1 percent resistance.
Anyways at the end of the ramp test it bumped my ftp to 230.
So what I mean by that, my rider moved in zwift but the resistance stayed the same on hills and flat ground.
The garmin unit had it set to 1 percent resistance.
Anyways at the end of the ramp test it bumped my ftp to 230.
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Someone just liked a 5+ year old post of mine in the touring photos thread. Amazed when I think of people scrolling that far back in threads.
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so I did do the ramp test, the first day. I had it connected to both my garmin head unit and zwift. What I didn’t know is that the garmin head unit took charge of the wahoo and zwift was in standby.
So what I mean by that, my rider moved in zwift but the resistance stayed the same on hills and flat ground.
The garmin unit had it set to 1 percent resistance.
Anyways at the end of the ramp test it bumped my ftp to 230.
So what I mean by that, my rider moved in zwift but the resistance stayed the same on hills and flat ground.
The garmin unit had it set to 1 percent resistance.
Anyways at the end of the ramp test it bumped my ftp to 230.
If Garmin kept your trainer at 1%, did you go through the steps at 1 minute increasing intervals of the ramp test? Have a link to the ramp test session?
A 230W ftp from a ramp test indicates you ramped up to about 310 Watts for 1 min. Does that sound right?
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In Watopia, both Tick Tock and Tempus Fugit are really flat. Like, 2% maximum. Mostly between + and - 1%.
If you want to look at route profiles, check out Zwiftinsider.com 's "Route Maps And Details", which provides a profile and a description of each.
If you want to look at route profiles, check out Zwiftinsider.com 's "Route Maps And Details", which provides a profile and a description of each.
thank you this is what I have been looking for. I kept trying to do zone 2 rides and ended up climbing. I was looking at distance and elevation. And all of the longer routes have elevation, so I was trying to pick the one with the most distance and least elevation.
As soon as I would start on elevation my heart rate would spike.
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I kept the power where it told me too.
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