tetonrider

sure thing. no particular rush.

lots of great cameras out there these days, and mirrorless systems are interesting, but for me i still appreciate the contours of a DSLR--and this one is built for life. the action shots i've taken with it are amazing. (also winds up being super good with a fast/low-light lens like a 50/1.8 for capturing kids or events in dark places/no flash.)

the only reason i'm selling is i replaced it with another DSLR (1DXii).

in some ways i miss the 1.3 crop factor of the 1D4.
yeah.... would not recommend it as a way to make money. i mean, you MIGHT make money, but if it's for fun it will most certainly be better.

i've made money from photography, but it's never been my primary thing. kind of would like to shoot racing, though i never have except for some shots, say, at an NRC crit where i raced earlier in the day and watched the pros.

the 5d was (is?) a great camera. i moved on from it only because it wasn't fast enough...for me. the 1d bodies are also better (again, for me) as they are weather-sealed. that's relevant here in the winter. it is heavier than the 5d series.

TMonk

Volunteered this morning at the track from 6-9, helping paint. Going to volunteer at TNR too next week, doing reg. and lap cards. I figure since I'm too lazy to re-do my tubular job on the track wheels I may as well stay involved somehow .

Just being up close and personal with the track like that made me want to race, so maybe I'll get to the tire job sooner now.

Doge

Speaking of Water coolers...
I think USAC needs to allow feeds in crits. (edit: it is allowed 3D6 - with referee permission) This weekend 80 min in 95 degrees and there was a 18mph hill that would have worked great for that.

Precedent:
2017 National crits U23 and Pro both had feeds.
Pros started at ~8:30PM, it was "cool" high 80s and they had a reduced time due to reduced light. But they still had a feed.
Victorville Crit June 2016 was a flat crit - 113 degees F where feeds were allowed.

Another sport that has no rules/laws for feeds or water breaks is soccer, although players may get water at any time. Rio Olympics had water breaks.

TheKillerPenguin

Psssh no way that's crazy

mattm

No.

Last thing crits need is a bunch of bottles littering the ground..

Two bottles should be enough for any crit, right?

aaronmcd

2 bottles will last 80 minutes in 95 degrees. They'll get nasty warm, but it's enough water.

An 18 mph hill in a crit means 700-800+ watts. Tough to grab a bottle while doing that. And if you miss it goes careening down the hill.

Also tough to grab a bottle at 28 mph though. I'd rather carry 2 bottles than risk losing my hydration into the peloton at that speed.

I guess if you are on the back of the pack, but who wants to be there? Back of the break might work (as in elite natz) but if I'm in the break I'm too redlined to grab a bottle!

Doge

Two bottles are not enough. Esp in high those from other locations/climates. Victorville last year 5~6 bottles were used (108-113F) per rider. More for pouring over heads.
Daniel drank two bottles and lost >5 lbs in 80 min Sunday.

Bottles need to be kept out of the way, not banned. In Kermesses you can feed any time and any where. Riders and feeders learn to get out of the way.

Here is a clip of the U23 feed. IMO it should have been from the other side, as right here it was in-line with the group. But Nats had it and Pro Nats had it. It was not as hot there as some of these SoCal races.

TheKillerPenguin

Absurd. Wear an ice sock if you need to. If you need to grab a feed in an 80 minute event you're straight up doing it wrong.

Ygduf

the sprinklers were going at one of our crits a couple years back and we'd ride through the spray each lap. It was ~100f and it felt awesome.

No one needs to drink more than 2 full bottles in a crit. My sweat-rate is absurd, like ~6lbs/hour. Your gut can only absorb so much and 40oz will leave me ~3lbs dehydrated after 1 hour. That's nothing.

miyata man

They do put pockets on jerseys. Tossing the extra bottle when you grab the one from your jersey is much much much much safer and smarter.

Ygduf

Daniel should try being fat. When I sweat my adipose tissue just deflates, like a camel.

revchuck 

mattm

This. It might be tough on someone coming from a cooler climate, but you gotta acclimate! Just like with altitude.

topflightpro

I remember being in a crit a couple years ago that was only 50 min, and it was so hot, my ice sock melted at the finish line. About 5 min. in, three guys attacked, and we all just let them ride away, happy to know that someone still had it in them to race. The rest of us just road around the course until the race was over. No one had any real interest in putting in effort that day.

Doge

Its not just drinking. It can be for cooling when there are no sprinklers. Water on body will reduce water sweating. Ice socks, water for head etc.

Rule 3D6 allows feeding if the referee says so.
If the mild 85 degree evening national pro race needed a feed, hard to say near 100 degree 1:00 race didn't.

June 2016 Victorville 108F-113F feed on flats. Everyone showed up with two bottles, everyone (that finished) took several more.


Rule 3D6 allows feeding if the referee says so.
If the mild 85 degree evening national pro race needed a feed, hard to say near 100 degree 1:00 race didn't.

miyata man

I know this is asking you to relinquish the ability to expand your current argument over a couple pages. What do you support doing if the temp drops below 68 F in California races?

Think of the children, doge. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

TheKillerPenguin

I will be formally petitioning NYSBRA and NEBRA requesting firetrucks be placed in the race caravans providing a light cooling mist on days hotter than 80º

hack

So ... if the official decides on the day to allow crit feeds, does that mean it's neutral feed? Team feed? Friend feed? What if I'm a rider that drove there solo and have no support? Seems a bit unfair when racing against a team that brings a support troop.

Doge

I don't know. I would think they could clarify it. If over 90F and over 60min then..., if over 100F and over 45min then... if over 110F whatever. 110F plus crits happen, 100F plus happen more, esp adding the feels-like index.

The big deal is they did it at Nationals, for pros, which was much more mild than yesterday, and had no minors. So whatever the policy was for that, should be applied to lower levels - IMO. A policy dealing with heat/environmental things (including lightning, thunder etc.) needs to be part of any national authority (so cycling, football, soccer....). And especially when minors are involved. I don't think there is one.

The Chief Referee at collegiate nationals is now (July 5th) the new USAC Technical Director. He was also the CR in Rio Olympics where many sports were deviating from rules to deal with the heat. I'm fine letting them figure it out, but right now...it is not figured out.

Doge

Adding.
It is an anything goes feed.
If you don't have support - someone else will feed you.
Or another rider can feed you.

The penalty for an Irregular Feed is a warning or relegation in C, D and E races. So we are not talking the level of folding a number here.

miyata man

Not to let the above CA joke make it seem like I disagree with you in spirit. This really has a feel of someone standing on the sidelines looking for a problem to fix instead of solving an issue on the ground that needs dealt with though.

I lived in very close proximity to the Wisconsin state RR course for a number of years. Without fail every year conditions were 30 mph winds, temps in the high 90's, and high humidity that made racing a potentially dangerous endeavor. If someone needed a bottle you gave it to them and everyone needed at least one bottle every lap. Which happened on the finishing climb or false flat near the line with absolutely no issue. If the situation on the ground is endangering junior riders you have every right to step up and ask for a humane decision that will be carried out to everyone's benefit.

As I stated above, carrying a third/fourth bottle in back jersey pockets is always going to be a better option safety wise in a top tier U23 or collegiate crit when conditions are hard.

Doge

You might as well just get rid of feeds altogether. It is a USAC rule associated with criteriums, not a UCI one. It is an old rule and it isn't even followed err - the Chief Referee exercises their option to allow a feed, at the top event in the country.

If the USAC mission is to achieve sustained international racing success while fostering a shared commitment to safety, integrity, and the joy of cycling, then allowing what cyclist are allowed in most road races in most of the world - esp in extreme heat, seems a reasonable step.

I'm pretty sure most our cyclists can learn to deal with water bottles and feeds like the rest of the world. Think of it as training.

Ttoc6

I started a on 4x10 schedule at work today. 10 hour days feel really long, but with the amount of time I'll be spending in meetings this week, it should be bearable. I get Fridays off which is super nice now with the riding and will be even better in the winter with the skiing.

Commuting by bike into work tomorrow so I can go straight from there to a group ride afterwards then head home after the group ride by bike.

miyata man

Doge, I'm done giving your politicizing of non-issues any attention. Best of luck convincing anyone short yourself of this convoluted reasoning.

Doge

I post things here for discussion. I certainly don't politicize them, there is no campaign. When I have a real issue I e-mail or call the person directly. Maybe, I'll talk to, call or ask someone else about it first. But BF is for fun and discussion.