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I always thought I would like to do at least a part of the Great Divide trail.
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That's funny. One time I rented a car and drove to Tucson and on the return trip my back hurt and I was extremely uncomfortable for hours. I told Mrs John that 8 hours on the bike was a lot easier than 8 hours in that car.
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I've only driven to a destination outside of Texas once in the last 10-15 years, and that was last summer when I bought a bike in Oklahoma. And, that was only about 3 hours away.
I have recently done a couple of Austin and back or College Station and back trips in one day that resulted in about 6 to 7 hours in the car, but those would be half in the morning and half at night, not six hours continuously.
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At work, I am aware of 5 people who have gotten vaccinated recently. We have about 60 people in the company. I know of one other who is considering it and one who was scheduled to get it but got covid before the appointment.
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A couple years back BF member and friend Biker395 did RAAM as part of a 4 person team. The team approach makes a lot more sense than solo. You split a lot of the cost and you get to sleep more. They were all very experienced endurance riders/racers.
A member of my road club did it solo 3 times. This was several years ago and he said it cost him about $30K each time. The first time he DNF'ed due to hyponatremia but the second effort he became the first finisher over 60 and the third he became the first over 65.
It's not racing like you think, they don't carry high average speeds or draft in lines or any of the usual road race stuff. It's very dependent on sleep deprivation and just staying on the bike for as many hours as you can stand. Lots of riders drop out. Some have neck issues, (Shermer's Neck). Some fall asleep on the bike.
Someone else I know did it as a 2 man team and it turned into a fiasco. There was fighting among the support crew and people dropped out and flew home and most of them weren't friends after the race.
A member of my road club did it solo 3 times. This was several years ago and he said it cost him about $30K each time. The first time he DNF'ed due to hyponatremia but the second effort he became the first finisher over 60 and the third he became the first over 65.
It's not racing like you think, they don't carry high average speeds or draft in lines or any of the usual road race stuff. It's very dependent on sleep deprivation and just staying on the bike for as many hours as you can stand. Lots of riders drop out. Some have neck issues, (Shermer's Neck). Some fall asleep on the bike.
Someone else I know did it as a 2 man team and it turned into a fiasco. There was fighting among the support crew and people dropped out and flew home and most of them weren't friends after the race.
30k is a lot of money. Other than gas, food, car, lodging and spare parts what other cost is there?
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A woman I went to high school with posted on Facebook that she didn't trust the experts about COVID, because her family was once screwed by a crooked lawyer.
Seriously.
Seriously.
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I'm sensing an opportunity to launch an alternative event for the less hardcore. We'll call it MAAM - Mosey Across America.
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Here's the 2007 minimal solo effort estimate.
Solo Minimal Assumptions • 6 Crew, 2 Support Vehicles. • Each Support Vehicle is driven 6500 miles. • 2 nights at the Start • 1 night at the Finish • 5 Crew flying, 1 Racer and 1 Crew drive Support Vehicles to the start and home from the finish Item Cost Entry Fee $2000
Vehicle Rental $0
Vehicle Insurance $0
Gas – 13,000 miles @ 15 mile per gallon @ $3.00 per gallon $2600
Banquets $0
Food for Racer $300
Food for Crew - $25 per day for 6 Crew for 14 days $1750
Start Hotel – 3 Rooms for 2 nights @ $100/night $600
Finish Hotel – 3 Rooms for 1 night @ $100/night $300
Lodging during Race (3 rooms) $300
Transportation Crew – 5 Crew @ $350 airfare $1750
Vehicle Setup $400
Clothing and Memorabilia $200
Communication Equipment $100
Misc Supplies $500
Total $10,800
Plus 10 % $1080
Total plus 10 $12,000
Solo Minimal Assumptions • 6 Crew, 2 Support Vehicles. • Each Support Vehicle is driven 6500 miles. • 2 nights at the Start • 1 night at the Finish • 5 Crew flying, 1 Racer and 1 Crew drive Support Vehicles to the start and home from the finish Item Cost Entry Fee $2000
Vehicle Rental $0
Vehicle Insurance $0
Gas – 13,000 miles @ 15 mile per gallon @ $3.00 per gallon $2600
Banquets $0
Food for Racer $300
Food for Crew - $25 per day for 6 Crew for 14 days $1750
Start Hotel – 3 Rooms for 2 nights @ $100/night $600
Finish Hotel – 3 Rooms for 1 night @ $100/night $300
Lodging during Race (3 rooms) $300
Transportation Crew – 5 Crew @ $350 airfare $1750
Vehicle Setup $400
Clothing and Memorabilia $200
Communication Equipment $100
Misc Supplies $500
Total $10,800
Plus 10 % $1080
Total plus 10 $12,000
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When I was an intern rotating through the ER, the best thing that could happen was picking up the chart for a nice, clean, BIG, laceration to sew up. It could keep you out of the rotation, sitting down in a quiet room for a long time with someone not desperately ill. One particularly terrible night with a full moon, I got an unfortunate young woman with borderline personality disorder who had slashed up both arms with a razor blade. To give you some idea of how bad that year and that rotation were, I was so happy I nearly cried.
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This is true. The worst are scalp wounds from things like chairs.
When I was an intern rotating through the ER, the best thing that could happen was picking up the chart for a nice, clean, BIG, laceration to sew up. It could keep you out of the rotation, sitting down in a quiet room for a long time with someone not desperately ill. One particularly terrible night with a full moon, I got an unfortunate young woman with borderline personality disorder who had slashed up both arms with a razor blade. To give you some idea of how bad that year and that rotation were, I was so happy I nearly cried.
When I was an intern rotating through the ER, the best thing that could happen was picking up the chart for a nice, clean, BIG, laceration to sew up. It could keep you out of the rotation, sitting down in a quiet room for a long time with someone not desperately ill. One particularly terrible night with a full moon, I got an unfortunate young woman with borderline personality disorder who had slashed up both arms with a razor blade. To give you some idea of how bad that year and that rotation were, I was so happy I nearly cried.
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Back roads, good hotels with actual beds, good food and beer every night, and the option to not ride some days. Maybe ride for two hours some days and sleep in the car/van on the way to the next hotel. Days off the bike, just wandering around some nice towns. Skipping Nebraska, because riding across Nebraska would take forever and feel like Hell.
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But, all the crooked lawyers I know are getting the vaccine. Gotta make sure we survive so we can pursue all the lawsuits.
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You use 2 vehicles, an RV and a van, which usually are rented and driven across the country and back. In LOP's example it says 15mpg average. You can count on substantially less than that, especially going east during the race.
You have to feed the crew and put them up in motels if time permits.
Is the crew all volunteer? Does everyone, including the racer, have time off work paid?
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Here's the 2007 minimal solo effort estimate.
Solo Minimal Assumptions • 6 Crew, 2 Support Vehicles. • Each Support Vehicle is driven 6500 miles. • 2 nights at the Start • 1 night at the Finish • 5 Crew flying, 1 Racer and 1 Crew drive Support Vehicles to the start and home from the finish Item Cost Entry Fee $2000
Vehicle Rental $0
Vehicle Insurance $0
Gas – 13,000 miles @ 15 mile per gallon @ $3.00 per gallon $2600
Banquets $0
Food for Racer $300
Food for Crew - $25 per day for 6 Crew for 14 days $1750
Start Hotel – 3 Rooms for 2 nights @ $100/night $600
Finish Hotel – 3 Rooms for 1 night @ $100/night $300
Lodging during Race (3 rooms) $300
Transportation Crew – 5 Crew @ $350 airfare $1750
Vehicle Setup $400
Clothing and Memorabilia $200
Communication Equipment $100
Misc Supplies $500
Total $10,800
Plus 10 % $1080
Total plus 10 $12,000
Solo Minimal Assumptions • 6 Crew, 2 Support Vehicles. • Each Support Vehicle is driven 6500 miles. • 2 nights at the Start • 1 night at the Finish • 5 Crew flying, 1 Racer and 1 Crew drive Support Vehicles to the start and home from the finish Item Cost Entry Fee $2000
Vehicle Rental $0
Vehicle Insurance $0
Gas – 13,000 miles @ 15 mile per gallon @ $3.00 per gallon $2600
Banquets $0
Food for Racer $300
Food for Crew - $25 per day for 6 Crew for 14 days $1750
Start Hotel – 3 Rooms for 2 nights @ $100/night $600
Finish Hotel – 3 Rooms for 1 night @ $100/night $300
Lodging during Race (3 rooms) $300
Transportation Crew – 5 Crew @ $350 airfare $1750
Vehicle Setup $400
Clothing and Memorabilia $200
Communication Equipment $100
Misc Supplies $500
Total $10,800
Plus 10 % $1080
Total plus 10 $12,000
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My favorite social media post this week was "Vote out the imbisol". The irony is delicious.
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