Why are 32mm tires standard now on new bikes?
#101
Sure, they are available. Furthermore one can buy a 12000 - 15000 EUR bike very close to pros, or even 2 with different configurations for different types of rides. But the point is that most casual riders don't go so expensive (and many will never spend 1000-3000 EUR for advanced wheels). For the numerous belonging to that category, who spend 1/3 or less and don't overspend on new wheels (me included), a simple switch to wide tires has a different impact. Especially if they ride clean roads without the necessity to damper big imperfections. I still think that this topic has split "solution" and it is more subtle than simply increasing tire width no matter what.
#102
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Well sure, if you are happy with 25 tires and don't want to buy wider wheels, no problem. We all make decisions about what improvements are worth paying for. That doesn't mean something isn't an improvement.
#103
No, my status is different. It simply happened to experience both 23 and 28 mm, only on flat and reasonable roads (the bike with 23 is not safe anymore for climbing / descending / hard braking). Both bikes are stock, good brands and below 4000 EUR (aluminum rims, nothing really special). The old bike with 23mm is more agile and feels marginally faster.
That's only my experience on good roads and stock bikes, thus, I can't ignore it for the sake of general articles on internet. Of course, somebody in another situation might feel the opposite.
That's only my experience on good roads and stock bikes, thus, I can't ignore it for the sake of general articles on internet. Of course, somebody in another situation might feel the opposite.
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The problem with 23mm tires is they always feel faster than larger tires, there is more pronounced bump feel at higher pressure and that is also what a road feels like when you are moving faster. But it is an illusion: you are probably going a bit slower. Fortunately a whole bunch of studies have been done to clear up this myth. I quoted one earlier in the thread and there are many more. Pro teams are all up on the science and are no longer on 23s. Somehow the illusion still lives on though..
To be clear the overall speed difference here is marginal and doesn't matter much to recreational riders. But the comfort and safety benefits are real and do matter to average riders.
To be clear the overall speed difference here is marginal and doesn't matter much to recreational riders. But the comfort and safety benefits are real and do matter to average riders.
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today's bicycles have evolved and that is the wave of the future
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^^^ Almost as if fietsbob has returned.
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I didn't realize that my 28mm tires on old-fashioned 20mm rims were horribly un-aerodynamic and undoubtedly holding me back from stupendous speeds, until I read so on the Internet.
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A couple of things to add to the recent discussion:
- In general wider is better but there is a point past which the added weight of a wider tire becomes noticeable. I think the sweet spot is 28-30mm for road slicks, but that's just my opinion. So I'm still a believer of "widest tire your frame can accommodate" but for me that's 27mm true width 😅 On my townie or gravel bike I do notice a big difference going from 28mm which still feels like a road tire to a 32mm or bigger which firmly puts me in commuter mode.
- It is perfectly safe to have a bulb profile. You lose some aerodynamics but people have been riding 2.2" MTB tires on 15mm IW rims since the 90s and not very long ago folks used to race CX on narrow 19mm OW rims with 33mm tires.
- I can imagine a lighter rider getting away with riding 23mm tires still, but for folks above a certain weight I think 25mm would be the minimally acceptable size.
- A while back I rode 22mm Conti racing tubulars pumped up to 130psi. Compared to GP4Ks at 25mm (27mm true width) at 95psi, I guess the GP4Ks were more comfortable but the skinny tubulars were objectively faster (mostly excellent tarmac with short sections of poor tarmac) and not uncomfortable despite being pumped to 130psi.
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should be more popular
I think you lose more than aero, including cornering and braking performance and a good bit of measured width which will still be relevant for pressures, vs a tyre that suits the rim well with a flat interface.
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What a great racier bike though perfect for many many trails too. I just picked up a Trek Top Fuel to complement my Ibis Ripmo. I got the Trek on sale but the Epic and Santa Cruz Blur TR were my top two. It seems like 2.3 is the "racier" tire now, =for all these bikes. That used to be 1.9-2.0 but the grip and lower PSI simply outclass the narrower "faster" tires.
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- A while back I rode 22mm Conti racing tubulars pumped up to 130psi. Compared to GP4Ks at 25mm (27mm true width) at 95psi, I guess the GP4Ks were more comfortable but the skinny tubulars were objectively faster (mostly excellent tarmac with short sections of poor tarmac) and not uncomfortable despite being pumped to 130psi.
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- A while back I rode 22mm Conti racing tubulars pumped up to 130psi. Compared to GP4Ks at 25mm (27mm true width) at 95psi, I guess the GP4Ks were more comfortable but the skinny tubulars were objectively faster (mostly excellent tarmac with short sections of poor tarmac) and not uncomfortable despite being pumped to 130psi.
To me, a 22-ish mm, decent-quality nylon or cotton sewup rides about like a top-quality 28 mm clincher. 30 mm FMB silks... well, that's just not fair. (Which is why so many of them get snuck onto bikes at Roubaix and Flanders.)
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I'm riding a Domane Al3 rental this weekend, with 32 mm tires.
I hate the endurance bike feel - I ride race geometry bikes at home - particularly as the rental shop has the bars way up high (and without a torque wrench, I'm not going to mess with them.) Also the Domane weighs a ton.
But the ride on the 32 mm slicks is pretty nice actually.
I hate the endurance bike feel - I ride race geometry bikes at home - particularly as the rental shop has the bars way up high (and without a torque wrench, I'm not going to mess with them.) Also the Domane weighs a ton.
But the ride on the 32 mm slicks is pretty nice actually.