For the love of English 3 speeds...
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Picked Up a Pair of 1972 Raleigh Sports
I picked up a couple of pretty clean 1972 Raleigh Sports today. They appear to be in pretty good original shape, aside from the saddle on the women's model, and just need basic restoration. The women's model is English made and the men's was made in Malaysia. The men's model has a repainted rear fender and, I think, chain guard. They're both pretty rust free and should, I hope, be pretty straightforward to get on the road.
I've always liked the burgundy color. Looks pretty on the stepthrough. Nice bikes. Malaysia? That's interesting. Except for the wheels, and that odd rear carrier, it looks like any other early 70s Nottingham Raleigh. Pretty sure Raleigh was still using 32/40 spoked wheels in 72 and for sure they still had Westrick rims.
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Nice day for a ride here today. Heavy overcast but no rain. Been riding the semi scorcher lately. I tend to binge ride different bikes. You're lucky. I don't know a soul that wants old 3 speeds and I really need to start getting rid of a few. It's on my list of things to do.
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I've always liked the burgundy color. Looks pretty on the stepthrough. Nice bikes. Malaysia? That's interesting. Except for the wheels, and that odd rear carrier, it looks like any other early 70s Nottingham Raleigh. Pretty sure Raleigh was still using 32/40 spoked wheels in 72 and for sure they still had Westrick rims.
This chart (I think made by Brooks but poached from Amazon) gives some guidance. This is for the Cambium saddles, but I bet one could find a sim one for the B's...Depending on how you ride, have your bike set up, and if you have a B17, give it a try.
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Well, here's why the AW hub had so much trouble falling into false neutrals. Everything is coated with sticky grease and the pawls can barely move even in this hot weather. Might be almost dried up heavy gear oil, not sure, but here's a lesson...Don't use heavy oil or grease anywhere near the pawls. Might not need to make new springs. I'll see how they work once everything is cleaned up.
Got the hub cleaned up, works fine. But...Now I have a question for someone familiar with these older hubs. I swapped out the threaded driver for a splined one so I could have a choice of cogs. Looks good although I'll have to work out the chain line. My problem is I thought the dust cap behind the threaded cog would just come off when I removed the driver. Silly me. It's stuck tight and I can't see why. Is it threaded on ? Can I pry it off?
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Nice grips!
I'm down for that! We need more three speed action around here- the Lake Pepin tour and the ABCE are not enough!
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Although I have come up Wabasha street and sort of meandered my way up the hill between Hall and Ohio without tackling the slope head-on, so that's an option. Add the bonus stops of Boca Chica Taco House and the Wabasha Brewery right next door! The only awkward stretch would be connecting the MRT to the Harriet Island leg. But that can't be as bad as some stretches of WI35 and US61 on the LP3ST. (You know I'm getting excited when I start speaking in acronyms!)
Okay, we might need to take this off-line. Can you PM me?
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The only problems with starting from that location are limited parking and the fact that it is at the top of that big hill coming up out of the valley (In my cafe racer days, I used to call it "Ton-Up Hill"). Think Ohio Street, or Simon's Ravine. Whatever ride we plan from that location, if we want to go someplace interesting, has to go down that hill and along the river one way or the other. Otherwise we would just be riding through suburbia in West Saint Paul - Inver Grove - Eagan.
Although I have come up Wabasha street and sort of meandered my way up the hill between Hall and Ohio without tackling the slope head-on, so that's an option. Add the bonus stops of Boca Chica Taco House and the Wabasha Brewery right next door! The only awkward stretch would be connecting the MRT to the Harriet Island leg. But that can't be as bad as some stretches of WI35 and US61 on the LP3ST. (You know I'm getting excited when I start speaking in acronyms!)
Okay, we might need to take this off-line. Can you PM me?
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Although I have come up Wabasha street and sort of meandered my way up the hill between Hall and Ohio without tackling the slope head-on, so that's an option. Add the bonus stops of Boca Chica Taco House and the Wabasha Brewery right next door! The only awkward stretch would be connecting the MRT to the Harriet Island leg. But that can't be as bad as some stretches of WI35 and US61 on the LP3ST. (You know I'm getting excited when I start speaking in acronyms!)
Okay, we might need to take this off-line. Can you PM me?
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I would be game for a ride with you twin city dwellers.
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I don't recall if Lilydale road is open, but if it is, we can take the MRT to Mendota and from there to Ft Snelling, go down the hill and take the bike path to Minnehaha. Mostly on bike paths so not stressful, the way three speeds are supposed to be. I'd want better ice cream than the DQ though, no offense
Last time I rode there, Lilydale road was a mess, and you couldn't get through to Mendota. But that was last Fall, so maybe now? Although we are still in flood season, so I'm thinking the other way, towards Mississippi Pub and beyond, might be better. I'll have to do some recon and figure this out. You have me motivated now.
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Well, here's why the AW hub had so much trouble falling into false neutrals. Everything is coated with sticky grease and the pawls can barely move even in this hot weather. Might be almost dried up heavy gear oil, not sure, but here's a lesson...Don't use heavy oil or grease anywhere near the pawls. Might not need to make new springs. I'll see how they work once everything is cleaned up.
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Here is the main issue on the 1930s Phillips at the moment - a slightly separated non-drive rear dropout. The way these are made, a solid metal dropout is "sandwiched" through brazing into a slit in the rear fork. On the non-drive side, one of the sides of the "sandwich" has opened up a bit. The dropout itself is not loose at all.
What are the best options for repair here?
I'm not a frame builder. My guess is to clean up and braze the opened side back into place. Would this be a simple repair? I suppose the other option is some kind of modern weld to "spot weld" that side of the sandwich back into place, but brazing probably is the more correct way. Is this right?
What are the best options for repair here?
I'm not a frame builder. My guess is to clean up and braze the opened side back into place. Would this be a simple repair? I suppose the other option is some kind of modern weld to "spot weld" that side of the sandwich back into place, but brazing probably is the more correct way. Is this right?
Big Chief, the two AW hubs I have in use have been cleaned and lubed with a nice light oil but lately they have become reluctant to stay in first gear (slipping into 2nd usually, occasionally just slipping) even with the cable VERY tight. Could this be due to weak pawl springs needing replacement?
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Both? That is very odd. You would have noticed the pawls acting sticky or sluggish when you had it apart. If they moved smartly I suspect the springs are fine. I don't like the sound of the cable being very tight in low gear. It shouldn't be. I suspect cable adjustment. So, just for the sake of it and because I like shop talk, I'll go through my setup procedure. First, make sure the indicator chain isn't bent or has any sticky links. Personally, I like to use new ones. Then, screw it all the way in then, back it off a half turn. You want both edges of the chain to ride evenly over the axle nut radius. By leaving it loose, it will self level. Then I check to see that the hub is truly in high gear by wiggling the cog and indicator chain to make sure it's bottomed out. I put the shifter in high position. Then I loosen the fulcrum clip and move it forward a bit to make sure I have plenty of slack in the cable. Then I thread the barrel adjuster about 1/4 the way on the indicator. Then, I'll move the fulcrum clip back until there's just a bit of slack left and tighten it. Now I know I'm close. The trick is to have the cable slack enough to engage high, tight enough to engage low but avoid the neutral spot in between 2nd and high. If the hub won't shift into low, I'll tighten the barrel adjuster a half turn until it does. If I still have any slack in the cable, I know high gear is OK so all I have to worry about is that it doesn't slip into neutral from 2nd. I road test this. Pedaling lightly I'll see if it slips or if I hear it start to slip. Then, I'll tighten the barrel adjuster a half turn at a time until I'm confident I'm out of the neutral area while the shifter is in 2nd. I know there's different methods. This is just the way I'm happy with doing it.
The culprit was the indicator chain. I swapped it out for a shorter version and all was well.
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Blast From The Past
A 1938 Hercules Falcon that I put together a few years back and sold to a friend at work.
As far as I know he's still riding it.
It was too small for me.
A 1938 Hercules Falcon that I put together a few years back and sold to a friend at work.
As far as I know he's still riding it.
It was too small for me.
Well, the Rudge has all new bearings in the hub, headset and bottom bracket, a nice new KMC chain and a 20T cog on the new driver. Notice my Raleigh special tool number "piece of wood". I use that to hold chain tension while I center the wheel and snug up the axle nuts. That 70s dustcap didn't fit the old hub. It was too deep and didn't leave enough room for the circlip. I had to steal one from another 50s hub I have. Now, I feel motivated to liberate the original one from the threaded driver.