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Boston will compete with other international cities to host the 2024 Olympics. So I assume either a permanent or temporary velodrome will be built. I can't find any plans yet.
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Kind of a random questions, but are shoe covers legal for endurance events (USAC)? I was thinking about it and I don't think I saw anyone wearing them at any omniums last year.
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There's a whole lot of personal preference and individual biomechanics and pedalling style that contribute to this. There are some very general guidelines out there. Its been discussed in this forum before, so if you can get the search function to work for you, you'll get a whole lot of comments and links in that
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I remember seeing pursuiters with shoe covers at my Regional and District USAC Championships. I'm not sure if there any in mass start races.
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Generally speaking, USA Cycling rules follow UCI rules which means that shoe covers are only allowed in outdoor events. There is only 1 indoor track in the USA.
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And the rumblings have been that rule will change as well and only allow them in truly bad weather.
On the topic of aero skin vs fabric, in 100% seriousness, are there aero socks on the market? I've heard you can have up to halfway up the calf covered, which for me is like 10inches of exposure. Im thinking something like cotton/breathable on the sole, and thin, shoe cover like on the ankle.
On the topic of aero skin vs fabric, in 100% seriousness, are there aero socks on the market? I've heard you can have up to halfway up the calf covered, which for me is like 10inches of exposure. Im thinking something like cotton/breathable on the sole, and thin, shoe cover like on the ankle.
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And the rumblings have been that rule will change as well and only allow them in truly bad weather.
On the topic of aero skin vs fabric, in 100% seriousness, are there aero socks on the market? I've heard you can have up to halfway up the calf covered, which for me is like 10inches of exposure. Im thinking something like cotton/breathable on the sole, and thin, shoe cover like on the ankle.
On the topic of aero skin vs fabric, in 100% seriousness, are there aero socks on the market? I've heard you can have up to halfway up the calf covered, which for me is like 10inches of exposure. Im thinking something like cotton/breathable on the sole, and thin, shoe cover like on the ankle.
Aero socks?: Triathlon Forum: Slowtwitch Forums
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There's a whole lot of personal preference and individual biomechanics and pedalling style that contribute to this. There are some very general guidelines out there. Its been discussed in this forum before, so if you can get the search function to work for you, you'll get a whole lot of comments and links in that
You asked a vague and open ended question in the "small, random track related questions" thread without giving us anything to go on, and you got a small, track related answer. The answer just about wraps up your question with the information that you gave us. In fact, it gave you more information to start doing proper research on the subject or asking how those factors affect cleat position. You then ***** about the answer after throwing us a ****ty question.
It's kind of like asking "what's the best geometry for a track bike?" or even "what's better, small medium or large?" and not telling us a thing about yourself. What sort of cleat position are you running? What is your experience level? Do you have any fit issues that need to be addressed or kept in mind? What sort of cleat positions have you tried and what was your experience with them? What are your strong suits as a rider?
Did you read any of the threads that the search came up with, or did you just give up after not finding a thread that exactly matched your question? If you read some of the threads on cleat position (and there are plenty out there, not all in the Track forum, some of them in the Bike Fitting forum), and the related linked articles in them, you might find your answers or come up with some questions that we can actually help you with.
If you show up expecting to get spoon-fed, all you'll get is a spoon.
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Specific questions get specific answers (or specific opinions).
General questions usually get ignored.
We aren't trying to be rude. That's just how good message boards work.
The signal/noise ratio is very good on this forum compared to many others and this is one reason why.
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This is the article i was referring to before, that i has been mentioned previously on this forum. Knock yourself out: POWER TO THE PEDAL ? CLEAT POSITION » Bike Fit » Feet » Steve Hogg's Bike Fitting Website
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Cleat position has never really been a topic in my circles outside of comfort/knee pain. Ive gone in for a 'proper' fitting before and didnt like it and changed in back. I dont think there is power to be found in the way your seat height matters.
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This is the article i was referring to before, that i has been mentioned previously on this forum. Knock yourself out: POWER TO THE PEDAL ? CLEAT POSITION » Bike Fit » Feet » Steve Hogg's Bike Fitting Website
To all:
The mid-foot cleat may not be a bad thing, especially when applying brute force. It is to be noted that the calves can be a "weak link" in the power chain. In other words, you can only put as much force into the pedal as you calves can sustain while holding your foot stiff. Being that the foot is now a lever, moving the cleat back lowers the load on the calves.
On the other hand, having the cleat further from the leg allows the feet to act as accelerators of the pedal in a whipping effect, finishing off a high-speed pedal stroke.
I don't really know what the right answer is. There is definitely no right answer for every riding style.
Regarding "Ball of the Foot over the Pedal Spindle":
- If you were crushing a stubborn walnut using a boot, would you use the ball of your foot, mid-foot, or heel?
- If you were running a 5K, would you strike the ground on the ball of your foot, mid-foot, or heel?
- If you were sprinting a 100M dash, would you strike the ground on the ball of your foot, mid-foot, or heel?
See how much it can vary?
What you gain in one area, you lose in another.
I've also seen people be really particular about it, down to the millimeter. Then I've seen others not feel the difference...like I've heard of people riding 1 crank 165 and the other 170mm for a season and not notice!
People are weird...and highly adaptable.
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also the sock thing is really interesting and I'm going to snoop on slowtwitch to see if I can fine anything. Those guys wind tunnel test stuff like that.
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The slowtwitch consensus on shoe covers is the same as for aero helmets - that it depends. Sometimes slower sometimes faster. Depends on the shoe, fit and material. Helmets also depend a lot on the rider position.
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I currently have a standard purefix crankset that comes stock on the basic $200 dollar fixies. I want to upgrade mostly to drop weight (stiffness would be an excellent addition however). I am torn between a SRAM S100 courier crankset and the SRAM Omnium. I understand the Omniums are the track standard and are the main choice. I am a broke college kid is trying to be wise with what I get. Are the omniums that much better than the s100s? Or will I notice a significant difference by just upgrading from the standard alloy crankset to the S100s? I should also note that I am primarily a fixed road rider who rides the velodrome once in a while..not a serious trackie. (The FSA Vero crankset is being considered as well.)
Thanks in advance for your input!
Thanks in advance for your input!
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The UCI continues to stuff up cycling! Just discovered my TT bike needs to be modified again to meet the latest UCI directives!
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I currently have a standard purefix crankset that comes stock on the basic $200 dollar fixies. I want to upgrade mostly to drop weight (stiffness would be an excellent addition however). I am torn between a SRAM S100 courier crankset and the SRAM Omnium. I understand the Omniums are the track standard and are the main choice. I am a broke college kid is trying to be wise with what I get. Are the omniums that much better than the s100s? Or will I notice a significant difference by just upgrading from the standard alloy crankset to the S100s? I should also note that I am primarily a fixed road rider who rides the velodrome once in a while..not a serious trackie. (The FSA Vero crankset is being considered as well.)
Thanks in advance for your input!
Thanks in advance for your input!
- If you are a broke college student, the worst thing you can do is buy track parts a-la-carte (piece by piece).
- Don't upgrade anything on that bike.
- Save your money and buy a used complete track racing bike.
If you don't find a bike that's your size, keep saving. Eventually you'll have enough to buy something like a Felt TK3 or Hoy Fiorenzuola.
Pro Tip: Spend money to solve particular problems. Don't just buy what you see others riding without knowing that it will solve a problem for you. A BT Stealth is probably heavier that your bike.
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Thanks to Wens and Carleton. I wasn't sure if piece by piece upgrades were beneficial (more expensive but less spending at one time) or if just buying a whole new bike was the better way to go. Thanks for the valuable advice.