New BSO long-term test!
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ha ha I read the whole thread and was getting frustrated because I had no idea what a BSO was!!
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Seriously? What is your academic discipline anyway? Not science or engineering, I'm guessing...since your "test" has no benchmark or standards given, and no criteria, little data reporting and no analysis. Maybe you're in the humanities or arts? Tenure decades away?
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Ummm...why don't you compare the rear or front dropouts (look at them [rear dropouts], research this carefully, then report back), or the fork crown, or the finish, or the headset, or the crankset, or the chain, or the brake calipers, or the saddle...Never mind a head-to-head ride comparison. C'mon now...
Seriously? What is your academic discipline anyway? Not science or engineering, I'm guessing...since your "test" has no benchmark or standards given, and no criteria, little data reporting and no analysis. Maybe you're in the humanities or arts? Tenure decades away?
Seriously? What is your academic discipline anyway? Not science or engineering, I'm guessing...since your "test" has no benchmark or standards given, and no criteria, little data reporting and no analysis. Maybe you're in the humanities or arts? Tenure decades away?
thanks for the trash talk ... why don't you go head-to-head against my mangobike if you're so confident?
a lot of trash-talking but no direct competition ... just about what I expected from BF ... a lot of big talk but nothing behind
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Your question was whether the original owner could really tell the difference between seemingly similar bikes...and I think that I'd respond "it depends". Sometimes the differences between how the bikes are set up (whether hubs are binding, or whether the chain line is off) can create a perceptible difference.
And further, much depends on the sensitivity and experience of the rider - at least in terms of the subjective aspects of whether a bike feels "lively" or "responsive". I know that I can tell the difference between the feel of bikes that I own and ride on the road. I have another bike, a middle-of-the-road 1980s road bike, that has really nice sealed bearing hubs laced to original rims. It is a joy to ride. I can't explain it - it's not the frame, per se, but the combination that is out of this world...
Anyway, I hope that you enjoy your bike and continue to get satisfactory use from it. I'd be interested if you do have component wear or other issues that crop up with its continued use.
Again, sorry about the combative tone. It wasn't called for. Phil G.
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You know, acidfast7, I've re-read the thread and better understand what you're trying to show with this experiment. I think that my last response was over the top, and I apologize for the challenging tone that it took. My bad.
Your question was whether the original owner could really tell the difference between seemingly similar bikes...and I think that I'd respond "it depends". Sometimes the differences between how the bikes are set up (whether hubs are binding, or whether the chain line is off) can create a perceptible difference.
And further, much depends on the sensitivity and experience of the rider - at least in terms of the subjective aspects of whether a bike feels "lively" or "responsive". I know that I can tell the difference between the feel of bikes that I own and ride on the road. I have another bike, a middle-of-the-road 1980s road bike, that has really nice sealed bearing hubs laced to original rims. It is a joy to ride. I can't explain it - it's not the frame, per se, but the combination that is out of this world...
Anyway, I hope that you enjoy your bike and continue to get satisfactory use from it. I'd be interested if you do have component wear or other issues that crop up with its continued use.
Again, sorry about the combative tone. It wasn't called for. Phil G.
Your question was whether the original owner could really tell the difference between seemingly similar bikes...and I think that I'd respond "it depends". Sometimes the differences between how the bikes are set up (whether hubs are binding, or whether the chain line is off) can create a perceptible difference.
And further, much depends on the sensitivity and experience of the rider - at least in terms of the subjective aspects of whether a bike feels "lively" or "responsive". I know that I can tell the difference between the feel of bikes that I own and ride on the road. I have another bike, a middle-of-the-road 1980s road bike, that has really nice sealed bearing hubs laced to original rims. It is a joy to ride. I can't explain it - it's not the frame, per se, but the combination that is out of this world...
Anyway, I hope that you enjoy your bike and continue to get satisfactory use from it. I'd be interested if you do have component wear or other issues that crop up with its continued use.
Again, sorry about the combative tone. It wasn't called for. Phil G.
I usually quite an a-hole on BF, so I'm the last person to whom anyone should apologise.
I have a photo after every single ride and I'm curious what will wear out first. Perhaps nothing for a very long time because I only ride 20km/day and it seems like I'm doing a lot of traveling so I don't even go to work that many days anymore.
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all is still good although it is beginning to get colder in the evening
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interesting development ... for £100 one can get a Nexus3 hub added to same bike ... guys at work say 3-speed is more than enough for the UK. I do have the hardware on the frame to add it as well ... interesting.
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Would you still consider the bike a BSO? Are there still plenty of 20 year old or older 3 speed Raleighs available in the UK? If so how much do they go for if serviceable and not being sold as a "collector" classic ? I presume a lot less than you paid for your BSO.
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I agree it hardly fits the BSO description. Its too expensive with too few components to actually go wrong.
This is proper BSO:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/terrain-...skuId=211-5870
Full-suspension, 18 speed, for less than half the price he paid.
This is proper BSO:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/terrain-...skuId=211-5870
Full-suspension, 18 speed, for less than half the price he paid.
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I agree it hardly fits the BSO description. Its too expensive with too few components to actually go wrong.
This is proper BSO:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/terrain-...skuId=211-5870
Full-suspension, 18 speed, for less than half the price he paid.
This is proper BSO:
https://www.tesco.com/direct/terrain-...skuId=211-5870
Full-suspension, 18 speed, for less than half the price he paid.
https://direct.asda.com/Fifth-Avenue-...efault,pd.html
£135.00 for a 700c with 18 speed shimano drive train.
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i love BF ...
1. one set of people said I paid too much and am a "hipster."
2. another set of people say that it's a total piece of crap and that I way overpaid for the components
3. another set of people said that it's too expensive to be a BSO.
4. most people in set 1, set 2 and set 3 have no understanding about VAT and GBP:USD conversions.
at BF
logged another ride today and it still seems great!
1. one set of people said I paid too much and am a "hipster."
2. another set of people say that it's a total piece of crap and that I way overpaid for the components
3. another set of people said that it's too expensive to be a BSO.
4. most people in set 1, set 2 and set 3 have no understanding about VAT and GBP:USD conversions.
at BF
logged another ride today and it still seems great!
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i love BF ...
1. one set of people said I paid too much and am a "hipster."
2. another set of people say that it's a total piece of crap and that I way overpaid for the components
3. another set of people said that it's too expensive to be a BSO.
4. most people in set 1, set 2 and set 3 have no understanding about VAT and GBP:USD conversions.
at BF
logged another ride today and it still seems great!
1. one set of people said I paid too much and am a "hipster."
2. another set of people say that it's a total piece of crap and that I way overpaid for the components
3. another set of people said that it's too expensive to be a BSO.
4. most people in set 1, set 2 and set 3 have no understanding about VAT and GBP:USD conversions.
at BF
logged another ride today and it still seems great!
Are you enjoying the bike? Looks like it. Was it ridiculous overpriced? No, probably not. So from that point of you, I think you did well.
Are you still enjoying this thread? I'll leave that one as an exercise for the reader.
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i love BF ...
1. one set of people said I paid too much and am a "hipster."
2. another set of people say that it's a total piece of crap and that I way overpaid for the components
3. another set of people said that it's too expensive to be a BSO.
4. most people in set 1, set 2 and set 3 have no understanding about VAT and GBP:USD conversions.
at BF
logged another ride today and it still seems great!
1. one set of people said I paid too much and am a "hipster."
2. another set of people say that it's a total piece of crap and that I way overpaid for the components
3. another set of people said that it's too expensive to be a BSO.
4. most people in set 1, set 2 and set 3 have no understanding about VAT and GBP:USD conversions.
at BF
logged another ride today and it still seems great!
Bottom line:
You paid too much if you were really intending to get a so-called BSO for a long term test. I expect your test results will have little to no relevance to anyone looking for an inexpensive bike for commuter use, due to your choice in the "test" bike.
You got too little for your money if you were looking for a basic commute to work bike.
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It depends on where. There are some hills that are amazingly challenging even with a modern bike with a wall-climbing gear.
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Possibly. Might also be useful if you compare your costs with the costs of long term use of a used Raleigh or other English/European 3 speed in the same locale as yours. Perhaps you could find poll some such long time users about their estimated costs over the last 20-30 years of use.
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Possibly. Might also be useful if you compare your costs with the costs of long term use of a used Raleigh or other English/European 3 speed in the same locale as yours. Perhaps you could find poll some such long time users about their estimated costs over the last 20-30 years of use.
Currently, I just want to recover my costs of lights, a lock, a cycloputer and the bike against the bus first and then I'll be making money
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3 speeds certainly are better than one for negotiating hills on a commute, especially a fixed one gear that never lets the cyclist rest while coasting down any hill.
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I assume you didn't buy the so-called BSO to cross the country. I know I didn't buy my commuter bike to cross the Rockies.
3 speeds certainly are better than one for negotiating hills on a commute, especially a fixed one gear that never lets the cyclist rest while coasting down any hill.
3 speeds certainly are better than one for negotiating hills on a commute, especially a fixed one gear that never lets the cyclist rest while coasting down any hill.
Just a quick jaunt along Hadrian's Wall perhaps:
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i find that people respond quite positively to my BSO.
girls and kids particularly like it and ask about it. grown men think it's kind of strange but usually by me a pint to discuss about it.
so far it's been a great situation especially as it really stands out colour-wise now as the grey rainy season is rapidly approaching.
i like bringing a little craziness to people's otherwise grey and boring lives
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