Why I will never buy a TREK.
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And, this is what's wrong with America. It didn't happen directly to me so I guess I won't hold corporate America responsible for their bad acts towards others. I'll just go along supporting them and enabling them to act badly toward my fellow citizens and humans. And when corporate America does something to damage you should we all say "Too bad. It didn't happen to me. You're on your own." ?
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But Lance took EPO - and a wife got upset - OH the horror!!!
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Nonsense. McDonald's doesn't serve anything that can be considered among the highest-quality in the world. McD's thrives on being fast, low-cost, and consistent. In many types of bike racing, Treks can be found at the very highest levels, being ridden by some of the best riders in the world. If Trek was a restaurant, it would serve everything from kid's hamburger meals to Michelin-star dishes, with meatloaf, BBQ, and carne asada also on the menu. The same could be said about Specialized.
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Then let's just capitulate? When I know that someone is damaging us I don't support them. You can try to do what you can do or you can give up. And, since this is a bicycle forum I addressed this issue here. It's also why I do as much business locally as possible. If you do nothing, nothing will change. I do what I can. If everyone had boycotted TREK when this happened, TREK and others would have gotten a message. You can either try to make things better or you can go along with a bad system. Your choice.
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Then let's just capitulate? When I know that someone is damaging us I don't support them. You can try to do what you can do or you can give up. And, since this is a bicycle forum I addressed this issue here. It's also why I do as much business locally as possible. If you do nothing, nothing will change. I do what I can. If everyone had boycotted TREK when this happened, TREK and others would have gotten a message. You can either try to make things better or you can go along with a bad system. Your choice.
Why? For many people, the same reason they don't boycott corporation X or Y - simply because they need or want the product. Many of these people don't know or care about LA or doping, or the sponsorship, or even the connection between the two - they walk into a local bike store and a nice bike is sitting there at the ready for them to purchase.
For many cyclists, myself included, flat knew that LA and everyone around him was doped to the gills - that cycling from top to bottom was dirty... all the teams, the sponsors, the originations/officials, ex riders, current riders, future riders, doctors, assistants - they all knew flat out that doping in cycling, and all sports for that matter - were and are dirty.
Most of us knew this, those that didn't were burying their heads in the sand.
Knowing this - find me a bike company of the time that wasn't supporting a doper, and wouldn't do the exact same thing if they happened to have the top dog of all the dopers...
Mario Cipollini was doped out to the max and fully backed by Cannondale. Are they off limits? Pantani rode a Bianchi, Ullrich rode a Pinarello, Contador rode for Specialized - all dopers, and the bike companies flat knew it. That list goes on and on and on...
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I did the exact opposite: I bought my Trek the year LA won his first Tour. I figured if it performed well for him, it would perform well for me, and I was right. It's still my best bike, smooth, stiff, fast, goes where it's pointed with no drama at all. All the components have been changed out several times, but the frame and fork are still perfect. As above, the top riders all doped. All that means is that a stronger rider than any of us will ever be test rode those bikes. I.e. don't bother with bikes ridden by non-dopers. Who knows how they'll hold up? That said there are a few modern pros who are really, really strong.
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Then let's just capitulate? When I know that someone is damaging us I don't support them. You can try to do what you can do or you can give up. And, since this is a bicycle forum I addressed this issue here. It's also why I do as much business locally as possible. If you do nothing, nothing will change. I do what I can. If everyone had boycotted TREK when this happened, TREK and others would have gotten a message. You can either try to make things better or you can go along with a bad system. Your choice.
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Then let's just capitulate? When I know that someone is damaging us I don't support them. You can try to do what you can do or you can give up. And, since this is a bicycle forum I addressed this issue here. It's also why I do as much business locally as possible. If you do nothing, nothing will change. I do what I can. If everyone had boycotted TREK when this happened, TREK and others would have gotten a message. You can either try to make things better or you can go along with a bad system. Your choice.
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But they didn't.
Why? For many people, the same reason they don't boycott corporation X or Y - simply because they need or want the product. Many of these people don't know or care about LA or doping, or the sponsorship, or even the connection between the two - they walk into a local bike store and a nice bike is sitting there at the ready for them to purchase.
For many cyclists, myself included, flat knew that LA and everyone around him was doped to the gills - that cycling from top to bottom was dirty... all the teams, the sponsors, the originations/officials, ex riders, current riders, future riders, doctors, assistants - they all knew flat out that doping in cycling, and all sports for that matter - were and are dirty.
Most of us knew this, those that didn't were burying their heads in the sand.
Knowing this - find me a bike company of the time that wasn't supporting a doper, and wouldn't do the exact same thing if they happened to have the top dog of all the dopers...
Mario Cipollini was doped out to the max and fully backed by Cannondale. Are they off limits? Pantani rode a Bianchi, Ullrich rode a Pinarello, Contador rode for Specialized - all dopers, and the bike companies flat knew it. That list goes on and on and on...
Why? For many people, the same reason they don't boycott corporation X or Y - simply because they need or want the product. Many of these people don't know or care about LA or doping, or the sponsorship, or even the connection between the two - they walk into a local bike store and a nice bike is sitting there at the ready for them to purchase.
For many cyclists, myself included, flat knew that LA and everyone around him was doped to the gills - that cycling from top to bottom was dirty... all the teams, the sponsors, the originations/officials, ex riders, current riders, future riders, doctors, assistants - they all knew flat out that doping in cycling, and all sports for that matter - were and are dirty.
Most of us knew this, those that didn't were burying their heads in the sand.
Knowing this - find me a bike company of the time that wasn't supporting a doper, and wouldn't do the exact same thing if they happened to have the top dog of all the dopers...
Mario Cipollini was doped out to the max and fully backed by Cannondale. Are they off limits? Pantani rode a Bianchi, Ullrich rode a Pinarello, Contador rode for Specialized - all dopers, and the bike companies flat knew it. That list goes on and on and on...
Those guys (pro cyclists and many other sports figures) are still doping to this day. It's just a matter of getting caught or skirting the line so close as not to be caught.
Bruce,
Here is a nice big list. If you can cross match the bikes they ride, you can add all of them to your banned bike brands list!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ses_in_cycling
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/...-still-doping/
https://www.bicycling.com/racing/a46...-one-loophole/
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Maybe there’s more, but that’s the gist of it. Put another way, if the statement were posed as question, i.e. which bicycle brand is to the bike market as McDonald’s is to the fast food market, and it would be hard to have an honest discussion without mentioning Trek, simply based on real world, market stats.
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Well, what I said was that Trek is to the bike biz as McDonald’s is to fast food, so it wasn’t a comparison of the companies to each other, but rather of their positions in their respective markets. So in that context, they’re both the big dogs, having more dealers or stores than their competitors, and having market leading brand recognition. Despite that recognition, though, neither are at the top in terms of prestige, suffering to the mystique of smaller brands.
Maybe there’s more, but that’s the gist of it. Put another way, if the statement were posed as question, i.e. which bicycle brand is to the bike market as McDonald’s is to the fast food market, and it would be hard to have an honest discussion without mentioning Trek, simply based on real world, market stats.
Maybe there’s more, but that’s the gist of it. Put another way, if the statement were posed as question, i.e. which bicycle brand is to the bike market as McDonald’s is to the fast food market, and it would be hard to have an honest discussion without mentioning Trek, simply based on real world, market stats.
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So I asked you how they damaged you.
I have never bought anything from Trek with the exception of tires once, but I won't boycott them since that only hurts the workers in the end, and they had nothing to do with it.
So again, how did Trek damage you?
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I will never buy a new Trek mountain or road bike. I just have never found them to be interesting or compelling. The whole Lance thing really solidified Trek as a crap company as well. That being said, I do have a 1997 Trek Multitrack 720 that I really do love. I needed a grocery getter/pedal around the neighborhood bike and it was cheap in the second hand market.
Full disclosure: I bought a new Trek MTB a few years ago and have it hanging in the bat cave with the other bats (the garage). All of them fly regularly.
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