Would a self driving car world make it safe for cyclists?
03-20-18, 04:08 PM
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For some reason we're not allowed to mount Xenon Tungsten Arc lamps on our cars, otherwise surely the shadows would have been peeled away. 
What are the rules that the Uber cars use to select high vs low beams? I find constantly blinking my lights in an urban environment is a pain, but depending on traffic, this may well have been a place where the lights should have been on high.
Hopefully data analysis will come out over the next few days, weeks, or months to indicate what was visible to the computer system, what wasn't, and what should have been visible. And, if there are changes that would have brought more into view.
What are the rules that the Uber cars use to select high vs low beams? I find constantly blinking my lights in an urban environment is a pain, but depending on traffic, this may well have been a place where the lights should have been on high.
Hopefully data analysis will come out over the next few days, weeks, or months to indicate what was visible to the computer system, what wasn't, and what should have been visible. And, if there are changes that would have brought more into view.
03-20-18, 04:08 PM
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When has anyone argued for no regulation?
03-20-18, 04:10 PM
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^^^^ Part of the conspiracy.
03-20-18, 04:10 PM
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The police were provided with two videos. One forward facing video, and one video of human co-driver. But, there should be a lot of data relating to this incident. Perhaps taking a couple of days to pick through. When did the person first show up on the computer's sensors. Should the person have shown up earlier? When did the computer first identify the person? What preventative evasive actions were taken? When? And, evasive actions immediately before impact? When and why, or why not?
Apparently this incident is serious enough to warrant a full NHTSA investigation.
Apparently this incident is serious enough to warrant a full NHTSA investigation.
03-20-18, 04:11 PM
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I won't trust the driver's statement until it can be verified by experts of NTSB.
This is urban environment...usually enough street light and headlight, not on a dark rural road.
The news video show the street is quite well lit...with many street lights near the scene.
This is urban environment...usually enough street light and headlight, not on a dark rural road.
The news video show the street is quite well lit...with many street lights near the scene.
But what we all are being told right now is that the victim was completely unseen until entering the road. The story might change, but there is more utility in treated what is offered as fact until better information comes along.
03-20-18, 04:14 PM
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But the incident was not serious enough (after all the victim was homeless the other party the mighty AV Cartel operating with little oversight in AZ)to cause the police chief to show any self-restraint in absolving the favored party to a favored media outlet within a day and without any but the minimal information provided to her by Uber.
Maybe an FBI cover up as well?
03-20-18, 04:14 PM
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03-20-18, 04:14 PM
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Maybe the investigators will need to hire the same Israeli computer whizzes that the FBI used to bypass Apple's stonewalling of their Smartphone encryption secrets.
03-20-18, 04:17 PM
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03-20-18, 04:20 PM
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Does AZ require the "driver" to be behind the wheel?
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03-20-18, 04:20 PM
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(I like how you brought Israelis into the discussion. Well played.)
03-20-18, 04:22 PM
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It doesn't matter whose company has the car program, they'll all get lumped together like Fedex freight.
The thing that I see when I look at Uber is that they tested without official permission on California streets and got busted when an AV ran a stop sign. That's what go them banned from California.
Cutting corners? Or just an intern slow to file paperwork?
As for the driver here … as jefnvk says, you get out of prison because strong-arm robbery doesn't work ... good time to get an honest job. And since not many people will hire a felon ... the guy Legally changed his name.
He wasn’t using a fake ID or anything. He went to court and got his name changed … probably so he could get a job.
Anyway … this is a great opportunity for the legal system to see what it can do with the reams of data afforded by the many AV sensors.
Meanwhile, Waymo is sitting pretty … if I worked there, I’d do a “Russian Hacker” campaign … hashtag-We’re the other company, hashtag-We’re not the one who killed that lady ….. flood social media with complete deniability, then respond by disavowing all the posts and playing up their much longer history of safe driving, more than twice as much testing, many years more of development ….
Cutting corners? Or just an intern slow to file paperwork?
As for the driver here … as jefnvk says, you get out of prison because strong-arm robbery doesn't work ... good time to get an honest job. And since not many people will hire a felon ... the guy Legally changed his name.
He wasn’t using a fake ID or anything. He went to court and got his name changed … probably so he could get a job.
Anyway … this is a great opportunity for the legal system to see what it can do with the reams of data afforded by the many AV sensors.
Meanwhile, Waymo is sitting pretty … if I worked there, I’d do a “Russian Hacker” campaign … hashtag-We’re the other company, hashtag-We’re not the one who killed that lady ….. flood social media with complete deniability, then respond by disavowing all the posts and playing up their much longer history of safe driving, more than twice as much testing, many years more of development ….
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03-20-18, 04:22 PM
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Still, it is a good point that the car's electronics are undoubtedly password protected, and the police will need cooperation from Uber to analyze the data. Perhaps even have special custom algorithms to better understand the situation.
03-20-18, 04:23 PM
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I'm sure that you will continue to embrace anything that confirms your bias and reject anything else until whatever point that becomes impossible.
But what we all are being told right now is that the victim was completely unseen until entering the road. The story might change, but there is more utility in treated what is offered as fact until better information comes along.
But what we all are being told right now is that the victim was completely unseen until entering the road. The story might change, but there is more utility in treated what is offered as fact until better information comes along.
No need to ask why the AV fan-bois are so anxious to embrace/latch on to this "exclusive" version of the "story".
03-20-18, 04:25 PM
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03-20-18, 04:27 PM
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C'mon kids, somebody got hit by a car and died.
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03-20-18, 04:32 PM
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03-20-18, 04:32 PM
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Do you find the insults actually decrease the ability of other people to continue to use their brains?
03-20-18, 04:33 PM
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03-20-18, 04:37 PM
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That isn't the "story" being put out by the AV apologists. The "story" is a homeless woman stepped right in front of Uber AV causing the crash that killed her and there is no way that collision could have been avoided by the Uber vehicle; all blame is on the victim. That is the AV fan-bois "story" and they are sticking to it.
03-20-18, 04:40 PM
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03-20-18, 04:40 PM
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That isn't the "story" being put out by the AV apologists. The "story" is a homeless woman stepped right in front of Uber AV causing the crash that killed her and there is no way that collision could have been avoided by the Uber vehicle; all blame is on the victim. That is the AV fan-bois "story" and they are sticking to it.
Is it really so much to ask that people discuss an emerging story with reason rather than prejudice?
03-20-18, 04:49 PM
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03-20-18, 04:51 PM
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I see that the "story" is now only "emerging" and not a done deal, blame the victim, case closed "story."
