We're going to yell at you.
01-08-07, 09:11 AM
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Haha... so much fun to re-read this thread. I will say that with a season of racing under my belt and being less of a noob (though still pretty much a noob-let's be honest about Cat 4 
) I feel a little conflicted about my previous posts in this thread.
Maybe it's just that I've raced around enough squirrels now to really appreciate it, but I now agree there are SOME times when you just have to let someone have it when they're doing something stupid/dangerous. I've also had some very good experiences with the experienced 4's and 3's on my team and appreciate their patience and guidance in helping me get better. Hell, ES and Smoothie have been full of sound advice and encouragement that guided me through my first season of racing.
So I guess you do have to yell sometimes, but the vast majority of the time getting dropped by a really fast group is sufficient "punishment" to fix a behavior. I guess I just hadn't seen enough of the actual dangerous stuff to really get it. But I do think in most cases you can be somewhat diplomatic about it.
And thanks again to Smoothie, ES, and the other elitists.
) I feel a little conflicted about my previous posts in this thread. Maybe it's just that I've raced around enough squirrels now to really appreciate it, but I now agree there are SOME times when you just have to let someone have it when they're doing something stupid/dangerous. I've also had some very good experiences with the experienced 4's and 3's on my team and appreciate their patience and guidance in helping me get better. Hell, ES and Smoothie have been full of sound advice and encouragement that guided me through my first season of racing.
So I guess you do have to yell sometimes, but the vast majority of the time getting dropped by a really fast group is sufficient "punishment" to fix a behavior. I guess I just hadn't seen enough of the actual dangerous stuff to really get it. But I do think in most cases you can be somewhat diplomatic about it.
And thanks again to Smoothie, ES, and the other elitists.
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01-08-07, 09:21 AM
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Not sure if it's cosmic coincidence, or some weird karmic synchronicity, or what, but just yesterday while away from the computer I suddenly and inexplicably remembered this "We're Going To Yell At You" thread.
I don't even remember if I ever contributed to this thread, & I don't have the patience to wade through seven pages just to check, but I do want to say this:
I understand how an overreaching rider can ruin the experience for the other cyclists in a group, especially if that rider doesn't know how to stay out of people's way, or is compromising others' safety, or (most egregiously) doesn't even realize that they're overreaching. Nonetheless, if I was on a ride with the OP and found myself the target of that sort of admonishing harangue, OP would quickly discover my frame pump upside the helmet or through his spokes. Seriously.
The preferred way to remove an inexperienced rider from a group is diplomatic and discreet. Can't imagine why there would ever need to be an exception, unless the ride leader has a massive ego (and a correspondingly tiny johnson).
I don't even remember if I ever contributed to this thread, & I don't have the patience to wade through seven pages just to check, but I do want to say this:
I understand how an overreaching rider can ruin the experience for the other cyclists in a group, especially if that rider doesn't know how to stay out of people's way, or is compromising others' safety, or (most egregiously) doesn't even realize that they're overreaching. Nonetheless, if I was on a ride with the OP and found myself the target of that sort of admonishing harangue, OP would quickly discover my frame pump upside the helmet or through his spokes. Seriously.
The preferred way to remove an inexperienced rider from a group is diplomatic and discreet. Can't imagine why there would ever need to be an exception, unless the ride leader has a massive ego (and a correspondingly tiny johnson).
01-08-07, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo76
The Dr is now an elitist?
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01-08-07, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Ross
Not sure if it's cosmic coincidence, or some weird karmic synchronicity, or what, but just yesterday while away from the computer I suddenly and inexplicably remembered this "We're Going To Yell At You" thread.
I don't even remember if I ever contributed to this thread, & I don't have the patience to wade through seven pages just to check, but I do want to say this:
I understand how an overreaching rider can ruin the experience for the other cyclists in a group, especially if that rider doesn't know how to stay out of people's way, or is compromising others' safety, or (most egregiously) doesn't even realize that they're overreaching. Nonetheless, if I was on a ride with the OP and found myself the target of that sort of admonishing harangue, OP would quickly discover my frame pump upside the helmet or through his spokes. Seriously.
The preferred way to remove an inexperienced rider from a group is diplomatic and discreet. Can't imagine why there would ever need to be an exception, unless the ride leader has a massive ego (and a correspondingly tiny johnson).
I don't even remember if I ever contributed to this thread, & I don't have the patience to wade through seven pages just to check, but I do want to say this:
I understand how an overreaching rider can ruin the experience for the other cyclists in a group, especially if that rider doesn't know how to stay out of people's way, or is compromising others' safety, or (most egregiously) doesn't even realize that they're overreaching. Nonetheless, if I was on a ride with the OP and found myself the target of that sort of admonishing harangue, OP would quickly discover my frame pump upside the helmet or through his spokes. Seriously.
The preferred way to remove an inexperienced rider from a group is diplomatic and discreet. Can't imagine why there would ever need to be an exception, unless the ride leader has a massive ego (and a correspondingly tiny johnson).
01-08-07, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Ross
Not sure if it's cosmic coincidence, or some weird karmic synchronicity, or what, but just yesterday...
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01-08-07, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by botto
not every ride has a 'ride leader'.
01-08-07, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by EventServices
Our Tuesday night ride is fast and furious, and strangely has no egos. It's all the fast guys in the metro-Detroit area. We rotate a double echelon at about 30mph. We sprint at pre-determined points. We regroup. We chit chat. Then we fire it up again. We have sprinters and lead-outs. But again, no egos.
And every week, we get new riders jumping into our line and trying to roll with us. That's fine. Go for it. But you should be prepared to meet a very steep learning curve.
Some fail to realize what we're doing, and when they make mistakes, we yell.
You will get yelled at for the following mistakes:
- If you're on the front, do NOT pull the line through the bumpiest section of pavement. GO AROUND IT! There is no need to trash our wheels and bodies.
- If you're on the front, don't ride on the very edge of the pavement. Give some room for the echelon behind you.
- If you're on the front, you MUST pedal down the hills. Do not coast.
- If the line is hammering and you want out, you must hammer until you are on the front - even if it kills you - and then pull off. Do not pull out of the middle of the line. That's dangerous, and it creates a gap that the rider behind you must cover. You will get yelled at.
- When it's your turn to pull through and take your turn on the front, DO NOT accelerate. That's bad.
- When it's your turn to pull off the front, flick your elbow and move smoothly to the side. Nothing abrupt.
Please do not call us elitist. And don't ask us to 'dumb down' our training ride.
And every week, we get new riders jumping into our line and trying to roll with us. That's fine. Go for it. But you should be prepared to meet a very steep learning curve.
Some fail to realize what we're doing, and when they make mistakes, we yell.
You will get yelled at for the following mistakes:
- If you're on the front, do NOT pull the line through the bumpiest section of pavement. GO AROUND IT! There is no need to trash our wheels and bodies.
- If you're on the front, don't ride on the very edge of the pavement. Give some room for the echelon behind you.
- If you're on the front, you MUST pedal down the hills. Do not coast.
- If the line is hammering and you want out, you must hammer until you are on the front - even if it kills you - and then pull off. Do not pull out of the middle of the line. That's dangerous, and it creates a gap that the rider behind you must cover. You will get yelled at.
- When it's your turn to pull through and take your turn on the front, DO NOT accelerate. That's bad.
- When it's your turn to pull off the front, flick your elbow and move smoothly to the side. Nothing abrupt.
Please do not call us elitist. And don't ask us to 'dumb down' our training ride.
01-08-07, 09:43 AM
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After reading a few of these posts, and being a solo rider; I'm beginning to realize all of the fun I've been missing. 
01-08-07, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by EventServices
I know riders who will actually grab you by the jersey and physically remove you from the line. That's how important it is to us to NOT have to deal with you.
(yes, I know it's dealing with 'serious' paceline training, but when quoted in a social ride setting to new folks, it's quite ridiculous.
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01-08-07, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CyLowe97
I can't tell you how many times we quoted this line on social group rides in the months following this thread. This makes us crack up every time!
(yes, I know it's dealing with 'serious' paceline training, but when quoted in a social ride setting to new folks, it's quite ridiculous. )
(yes, I know it's dealing with 'serious' paceline training, but when quoted in a social ride setting to new folks, it's quite ridiculous.
)while i've never done it to someone at full speed, i have been slungshot backwards at +/-30 MPH (by an irritable Belgian, who didn't like being told that I couldn't understand a word that he was saying).
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Originally Posted by Voodoo76
I have no problem with this, unlike many of you I accept and even embrace that Road Racing is elitist. By its very nature it has to be. If you dont like it then go take up frisbee golf, or some other candy a** sport. The point of this thread is if you go out on hard core training rides dont expect a polite explanation of everything you are doing wrong. If that is your expectation you will come away feeling pissed or picked on, expect that if you make a mistake you will hear about it immediatly. I don't see what is wrong with that??
Another way to look at it, Riders are blunt and to the point, efficiency in language.
Another way to look at it, Riders are blunt and to the point, efficiency in language.
01-08-07, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Namenda
Well, my training is progressing rapidly. I yelled at two squirrels today, and you better believe they hauled their furry backsides off the front double-time. Now if they only weren't so damn short, I could grab them by the scruff of the neck and give 'em a good shove (only when necessary).
I figure I'll be ready for The Show in 6 months, tops.
I figure I'll be ready for The Show in 6 months, tops.
This has got to be one of the funniest posts....I still crack up when I read this
01-08-07, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by drmain
But what if some consider road biking a candy a** sport? Just cause you ride does not mean you are tough, far from it.
I do agree that some view our sport in that light, however they are wrong.
01-08-07, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo76
Then they better not ride or race with me I do agree that some view our sport in that light, however they are wrong.
I do agree that some view our sport in that light, however they are wrong.
01-08-07, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by celticfrost
Come on now! Where else is a sickly 130lb spandex clad, ex-high school marching band member, dungeons and dragons playing, geek going to exert some physical authority besides his holier than thou paceline??!! I mean these guys have been getting pushed around since they've been waiting for the bus for kindergarten, so cut them some slack, eh?
01-08-07, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by drmain
I was just kidding with you, it was supposed to be a joke but it does not look right in print. I am sure it's a tough sport.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Haha... so much fun to re-read this thread. I will say that with a season of racing under my belt and being less of a noob (though still pretty much a noob-let's be honest about Cat 4 ) I feel a little conflicted about my previous posts in this thread.
Maybe it's just that I've raced around enough squirrels now to really appreciate it, but I now agree there are SOME times when you just have to let someone have it when they're doing something stupid/dangerous. I've also had some very good experiences with the experienced 4's and 3's on my team and appreciate their patience and guidance in helping me get better. Hell, ES and Smoothie have been full of sound advice and encouragement that guided me through my first season of racing.
So I guess you do have to yell sometimes, but the vast majority of the time getting dropped by a really fast group is sufficient "punishment" to fix a behavior. I guess I just hadn't seen enough of the actual dangerous stuff to really get it. But I do think in most cases you can be somewhat diplomatic about it.
And thanks again to Smoothie, ES, and the other elitists.
) I feel a little conflicted about my previous posts in this thread. Maybe it's just that I've raced around enough squirrels now to really appreciate it, but I now agree there are SOME times when you just have to let someone have it when they're doing something stupid/dangerous. I've also had some very good experiences with the experienced 4's and 3's on my team and appreciate their patience and guidance in helping me get better. Hell, ES and Smoothie have been full of sound advice and encouragement that guided me through my first season of racing.
So I guess you do have to yell sometimes, but the vast majority of the time getting dropped by a really fast group is sufficient "punishment" to fix a behavior. I guess I just hadn't seen enough of the actual dangerous stuff to really get it. But I do think in most cases you can be somewhat diplomatic about it.
And thanks again to Smoothie, ES, and the other elitists.
01-08-07, 11:25 AM
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This forum is no place to tell noobs on your ride what to do, advertise in your bike club mailing list that noobs are not welcome on your training rides unless they can strictly adhere to your rules. Your entire post smells of ego.
If I were in your shoes, I would not yell at anyone, but will try explaining, either before the ride or during a club meet. There is no need to yell at innocent people. You only yell at someone if they broke a rule on purpose.
If I were in your shoes, I would not yell at anyone, but will try explaining, either before the ride or during a club meet. There is no need to yell at innocent people. You only yell at someone if they broke a rule on purpose.