Originally Posted by CuttersRidge

Posted in the other thread, this bike is so unique, I've certainly never seen anything like this. Comments?

Unique 2WD Tretta Road Bike

Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake

Maybe it's just me, but she seems awfully snotty for some broke kid begging for free stuff and offering to pay with "her art". I'm going go out on a limb and guess her "art" is probably only fit for mommy's fridge.

Good job starting to beg on Craigslist less than a week before your one day "tour". No size listed either. As far as trusting CL more than indigo bikes, let's be honest here, you don't want to pay for an indigo and they don't take art at the stall.

Originally Posted by himespau

Can you turn left though? A quick and tired look makes it seem as though the chain would prevent that. Turning right might also be problematic if it gave you too much slack that the chain fell off the pully. Sure, the amount of turning the wheel while riding at speed is minimal, but if you can't turn a corner while stopped at a light or get up to speed (or get the bike off the rack) because you can't turn the wheel, that's problematic.

Originally Posted by CuttersRidge

Posted in the other thread, this bike is so unique, I've certainly never seen anything like this. Comments?

Unique 2WD Tretta Road Bike

Originally Posted by curbtender

I'd say it has a few pinch points. Sure wouldn't want my finger going through that sprocket.

Originally Posted by cb400bill

Oh, that fork!

Peugeot Touring Bike

Originally Posted by Kactus

OOHH... another one of those Peugeot's with the recurve fork!

Originally Posted by CliffordK

I got a bit of a laugh out of this one.

Stolen Bike Trailer (Eugene - Four Corners)

I'd expect the "homeless couple living in a tent to be keeping a close eye on Craigslist!!!

Originally Posted by Kactus

OOHH... another one of those Peugeot's with the recurve fork!

Originally Posted by CuttersRidge

How about this ad, no pictures, okay, so they are selling a number of bicycles:

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Many of finest-most comfy-lugged-high strength alloy steel frame bikes
Many of finest-most comfy-lugged-high strength alloy steel frame bikes (newport)

The finest most comfortable lugged, high strength alloy steel frame bikes ever made.
CALL show contact info

These are the finest, most comfortable, lugged joint, high strength alloy steel frame bikes ever built.

The longest lasting, most comfortable bikes are steel. These have lost wax precision cast lugs and many have high strength Ishiwata triple butted: varied thickness tubing: that is torsionally rigid from exclusive internal splines like a gun barrel. These tubes are triple butted meaning each tube has several thickness changes to save weight in the extremely high strength alloy steel construction. The frames are precision fitted. That allows low temperature silver soldered which maintains the high hardness of heat treated high alloy steel frame components together to make the best bikes ever built. Welding or brazing used in modern bikes weakens the tubing by annealing or drawing back the heat treat hardening of the steel materials. These Ishiwata splined tubings and lost wax cast lugs are no longer made or cost many thousands to buy in a custom built bike!



Brand new semi pro Miyata 914 bike Size 54cm just out of a time capsule from 1993. A steal at my offering prices. Miyata frames have precision lost wax cast steel lugs at the joints. The tubing is triple butted with internal splines for torsional rigidity. The precision of lugs and tubing allows them to be silver soldered together at lower temperatures. These lower temperature builds maintains the heat treatment stiffness of the high strength alloys used, that is compromised when welded or brazed at much higher temperatures.
~Also a used 1400 lugged frame touring/triathlon bicycle. 58 CM will fit a 5'11" to 6' 3" person
~Also a brand new GT 615 lugged frame touring bicycle. 58 CM will fit a 5'10" to 6' 3" person
~Also a new GT 615 lugged frame touring bicycle. 47 CM. For a strong 4'11' to 5'2" person
~Also a new Team Miyata Pro lugged frame racing bicycle. ~57 CM will fit a 5'10" to 6' 3" person
~Also a Miyata one thousand lugged frame touring bicycle. 58 CM will fit a 5'10" to 6' 3"
~Also a almost new Miyata 1000 lugged frame touring bicycle. 58 CM. Will fit a 5'11" to 6' 3" person
~Also a new semi pro 914 lugged frame touring bicycle. 56 CM
~Also a new Specialized Allez lugged frame Triathlon bicycle. 50 CM
~Also a used Shogun touring bike lugged frame touring bicycle. 56 CM
~Also a used French Peugeot lugged frame touring bicycle. 57 CM
~Also a classic used French Peugeot lugged frame touring bicycle. 57 CM
~Also a new 1996 Lemond Alpe d'Heuz high strength alloy frame touring bicycle. All Campy. 49 CM for a strong 5' to 5'4" person ~Also a !983 52 cm USA made Trek with Belgium produced Wheels.
~Also aKieth Lippy custom high strength alloy, lugged frame touring bicycle. Campy and Shimano 600. 60 CM for a strong 6' to 6'6"
person . Very lite!
~ Also a Raleigh grand prix 58 cm very clean frame and paint job.
~ Also a Fuji Royal 64cm for a very tall person. Has bar end shifters.

These Miyata bikes are some of most the most sought after bike in the world. MSRP new was about 950 dollars plus tax in 1993. Many of these bikes are still in new condition. To build a TRIPLE butted frame like this today, at a bike builder's shop would cost well over two thousand dollars WITH MANY BICYCLE BUILDERS CHARGING OVER 5000 DOLLARS. The 914 will fit a 5'5" to 5'8" tall person. 1400 will fit a 5'11" to 6' 3" person. As you now know, these are lifetime heirloom purchases. Guaranteed to get good decades of rides too.Β Β Β Here is the Bikepedia link with the specs and Original MSRP.

CALL show contact info
1993Β MiyataΒ 916
Bicycle Type Road race & triathlon
MSRP (new) $950.00
Weight 22.5
Sizes 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 63

Frame Construction Lugged steel
Frame Tubing Material Miyata STB chrome-moly TRIPLE BUTTED
Fork Brand & Model STB chrome-moly
Fork Material Β
Rear Shock Β


Components
Component Group Shimano 105 STI
Brakeset Shimano 105 brakes, levers
Shift Levers Shimano 105 STI
Front Derailleur Shimano 105SC
Rear Derailleur Shimano 105SC
Crankset Shimano 105SC, 42/53 teeth
Pedals Shimano 105SC clipless Β
Rear Cogs 8-speed, 12 - 23 teeth
Chain Shimano CN-HG70
Saddle Miyata
Handlebar Extensions Β
Handlebar Stem CroMo TIG
Headset Β

Wheels
Hubs Shimano 105SC
Rims Araya RS-430, 32-hole

With its even 40-inch wheelbase and 72- degree head angle, the Miyata 914's frame might be more a home in a review of tourers or triathlon bikes than among this month's bevy of entry-level racers.That is, until you remember that Lucien Van Impe wontheTourdeFranceonabikewitha 72-degree head angle.Still, the $950 model 914 is race-worthy and probably far safer for a beginning racer than a more twitchy t)oneshaker.
Outfitted with a full Shimano 105 group, a moderately tight13-24Tfreewheel , the Miyata needs only the strong legs of a licensed rider to join the fray.We can even

HIGH SPEED DESCENT LOW SPEED STABILITY
CORNERING
CLIMBING
MECHANICS
FRONT SHIFTING REAR SHIFTING CONTROL LEVERS BRAKES
OVERALL MECHANICAL OVERALL ROAD FEEL
all 5 out of 5
suggest a race strategy:Get to the front immediately and stay there, because the bike isn't that anxious to comply with instant demands to sidestep ugly crashes or change lines through 90-degree corners when the "wandering weenie" just ahead cuts into your path.
On the other hand, the relatively long wheelbase and no-hands stability make the 914 a fine bike for long road courses over varied terrain.That 40 inches between hubs allows for a lot of shock absorption, as does the generous fork rake.That's intentional, ac- cording to Jim Reid, sales manager for Miyata of America, because the frame is built around some pretty stiff, unforgiving tubes. Raw Miyata tubing comes from the same Japanese mill that supplies Tange and Ishiwata, but there the similarity ends .Using state-of- the-art, in-house reworking and laser cutting machinery, Miyata butts, cuts and miters the raw stock to it's own specifications.
For example, all three main tubes are tri- ple-butted, and all three are different. The top tube starts with a 0.9-millimeter thick section up front, tapers to 0.6 millimeters, then thickens again to 0 .7 millimeters at the seat cluster.These at tube, single-butted on most bikes, has a hefty 1.0-millimeter wall thickness at the bottom bracket before thining to a 0.7-millimeter central section.

Seatpost end is 0.8 millimeters. But it's the 1.0-0.9-1.2-millimeter, triple-butted down tube that makes the most sense. Intuition would dictate putting that thick end into the bottom bracket to stiffen it, right? Wrong . Reid says Miyata's tests showed that the 1.2- millimeter section located at the head tube end held the bottom bracket in check better than the other wayaround.
I'm a bikie, not a slide rule jockey, so I sought out the expertise of our resident frame builder, Jim Redcay. He says savvy builders have always used the longer, butted end of a double-butted down tube at the head tube end for the same reason.What happens, he explains, is that the down tube acts as a torque lever for pedaling forces, increasing the stress at the other end - at the head tube.The real secret to down tube stiffness, Redcay says, is stiffening up the head/down tube joint and the upper fork blades.So much for intuition.
The long, beefy front sections of the top and down tubes also "bulletproof the front end against a collision," Reid adds.At the upper end of the down tube,the extended butt also provides a solid base for the brazed-on shift lever bosses, a weak point on many frames. Specially-designed, investment cast lugs complete the bombproof frame design.
Not surprisingly, the 914 didn't mind a bit when I grudgingly coaxed myself out of the saddle for some dreaded intervals. This is one rigid frame all right, but as Reid claims, there's a modicum of comfort left over.The bike is stiff enough for racing, but triathlons are probably its most appropriate use since the stability that hampers elbow-to-elbow peloton riding is a benefit to solitary efforts
contrelamontre (against the clock).

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thanks,call show contact info
* Miyata 914: Miyata's high-end road bike from the "Semi-Pro" group, with Shimano 105 first generation components.



Best Bike frame materialsΒ

I'm responding to the question posed by unworthy1. I understand that Ishiwata bicycle tubing company closed its tubing operation in 1993. There upon many of its craftsmen found employment with Kaisei. Kaisei is apparently still making tubing and holds a controlling share of the track bike market in Japan. I have no direct knowledge of all this, but recommend the site "bicycleretailer.com/headlines". Another site of interest is "desperadocycles.com" for its comparison of the internal diameters of tubing, including Ishiwata. Also, I propose that you type "Ishiwata tubing" into a search engine and do some browsing. Good luck.

The idea of spline tubing was originally introduced by Columbus with their steering tube. It pre-dated Miyata's splined tubing by decades. Columbus' SLX and SPX splined tube sets were introduced a couple of year's prior to Miyata, so it would appear that Miyata was copying Columbis, though they did introduce a couple of improvements on Columbus.Β

The splines in bicycle tubing are raised, helical ribs that increase strength and rigidity

NO ,Ishiwata was a wonderfull tubing Co.. All on thier own, they're gone for over 15 years. Ishiwata was no Lighter per inch so to speak than Tange or others but the resulting frames generally were lighter than Tange,Tange Prestige being the exception, Ishiwata. provided more varied lengths and such to suit unique needs of various builders. It was used by independants, Fugi and Brigestone. When Taiwan became the major source of frame building, Ishiwata folded,Fuji was a big client. When the Co's stopped using/making frames from Japan, Ishiwata couldn't survive, they made and provided tubes for primarily bike Co's, Tange for ep. made tubing for many types of maufacturers. Like Columbus always did.


Well, if memory serves me correctly, the tubing that Miyata used was made by Ishiwata. I believe that the advantages touted by that tubing was two fold...one, that butted tubing is stronger at the brazed joints and two, the splines were supposed to and strength and torsional stiffness without adding a lot of weight.

True temper, reynolds chromoly or chromo triple butted splined,Β Tange , Ishiwata, Vitus, Reynolds


By virtue of the spline construction, Columbus SLX would be the closest of the vintage tube sets. However, Miyata STB used triple butting to further tailor the tubes and had slightly thinner walls.

In the case of the 1990 and 1991 model 914, the 3 main tubes, steering tube, and fork blades were splined. The seat and stays were plain CrMo.


Brand new Miyata 914 bike Size 54cm just out of a time capsule from 1993. A steal at my offering prices. Miyata frames have precision lost wax cast steel lugs at the joints. The tubing is triple butted with internal splines for torsional rigidity. The precision of lugs and tubing allows them to be silver soldered together at lower temperatures. These lower temperature builds maintains the heat treatment stiffness of the high strength alloys used, that is compromised when welded or brazed at much higher temperatures.
~Also a used 1400 lugged frame touring/triathlon bicycle. 58 CM will fit a 5'11" to 6' 3" person
~Also a brand new GT 915 lugged frame touring bicycle. 58 CM will fit a 5'10" to 6' 3" person
~Also a new GT 915 lugged frame touring bicycle. 47 CM. For a strong 4'11' to 5'2" person
~Also a new Team Miyata lugged frame racing bicycle. ~57 CM will fit a 5'10" to 6' 3" person
~Also a Miyata one thousand lugged frame touring bicycle. 58 CM will fit a 5'10" to 6' 3"
~Also a almost new Miyata 1000 lugged frame touring bicycle. 58 CM. Will fit a 5'11" to 6' 3" person
~Also a new914 lugged frame touring bicycle. 56 CM
~Also a new Specialized Allez lugged frame Triathon bicycle. 50 CM
~Also a used Shogun touring bike lugged frame touring bicycle. 56 CM
~Also a used French Peugeot lugged frame touring bicycle. 57 CM
~Also a classic used French Peugeot lugged frame touring bicycle. 57 CM
~Also a new Lemond Alpe d'heir high strength alloy frame touring bicycle. All Campy. 49 CM for a strong 5' to 5'4" person

These Miyata bikes are some of most the most sought after bike in the world. MSRP new was about 950 dollars plus tax in 1993. Many of these bikes are still in new condition. To build a TRIPLE butted frame like this today, at a bike builder's shop would cost well over two thousand dollars WITH MANY BICYCLE BUILDERS CHARGING OVER 5000 DOLLARS. The 914 will fit a 5'5" to 5'8" tall person. 1400 will fit a 5'11" to 6' 3" person. As you now know, these are lifetime heirloom purchases. Guaranteed to get good decades of rides too.Β Β Β Here is the Bikepedia link with the specs and Original MSRP.

CALL show contact info
1993Β MiyataΒ 916
Bicycle Type Road race & triathlon
MSRP (new) $950.00
Weight 22.5
Sizes 48, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 63

Frame Construction Lugged steel
Frame Tubing Material Miyata STB chrome-moly TRIPLE BUTTED
Fork Brand & Model STB chrome-moly
Fork Material Β
Rear Shock Β


Components
Component Group Shimano 105 STI
Brakeset Shimano 105 brakes, levers
Shift Levers Shimano 105 STI
Front Derailleur Shimano 105SC
Rear Derailleur Shimano 105SC
Crankset Shimano 105SC, 42/53 teeth
Pedals Shimano 105SC clipless Β
Rear Cogs 8-speed, 12 - 23 teeth
Chain Shimano CN-HG70
Saddle Miyata
Handlebar Extensions Β
Handlebar Stem CroMo TIG
Headset Β

Wheels
Hubs Shimano 105SC
Rims Araya RS-430, 32-hole

With its even 40-inch wheelbase and 72- degree head angle, the Miyata 914's frame might be more a home in a review of tourers or triathlon bikes than among this month's bevy of entry-level racers.That is, until you remember that Lucien Van Impe wontheTourdeFranceonabikewitha 72-degree head angle.Still, the $950 model 914 is race-worthy and probably far safer for a beginning racer than a more twitchy t)oneshaker.
Outfitted with a full Shimano 105 group, a moderately tight13-24Tfreewheel , the Miyata needs only the strong legs of a licensed rider to join the fray.We can even
HIGH SPEED DESCENT LOW SPEED STABILITY
CORNERING
CLIMBING
MECHANICS
FRONT SHIFTING REAR SHIFTING CONTROL LEVERS BRAKES
OVERALL MECHANICAL OVERALL ROAD FEEL
all 5 out of 5
suggest a race strategy:Get to the front im- mediately and stay there, because the bike isn't that anxious to comply with instant de- mands to sidestep ugly crashes or change lines through 90-degree corners when the "wandering weenie" just ahead cuts into yourpath.
On the other hand, the relatively long wheelbase and no-hands stability make the 914 a fine bike for long road courses over varied terrain.That 40 inches between hubs allows for a lot of shock absorption, as does the generous fork rake.That's intentional, ac- cording to Jim Reid, sales manager for Miyata of America, because the frame is built around some pretty stiff, unforgiving tubes. Raw Miyata tubing comes from thesame Jap- anese mill that supplies Tange and Ishiwata, but there the similarity ends .Using state-of- the-art, in-house reworking and laser cutting machinery, Miyata butts, cuts and miters the rawstocktoitsownspecifications.
For example, all three main tubes are tri- ple-butted, and all three are different. The top tube starts with a 0.9-millimeter thick section up front, tapers to 0.6 millimeters, then thickens again to 0 .7 millimeters at the seatcluster.Theseattube,single-buttedon most bikes, has a hefty 1.0-millimeter wall thickness at the bottom bracket before thin- ping to a 0.7-millimeter central section.

Seatpost end is 0.8 millimeters. But it's the 1.0-0.9-1.2-millimeter, triple-butted down tube that makes the most sense. Intuition would dictate putting that thick end into the bottom bracket to stiffen it, right? Wrong . Reid says Miyata's tests showed that the 1.2- millimeter section located at the head tube end held the bottom bracket in check better thantheotherwayaround.
I'm a bikie, not a slide rule jockey, so I sought out the expertise of our resident frame builder, Jim Redcay. He says savvy builders have always used the longer, butted end of a double-butted down tube at the head tube end for the same reason.What happens, he explains, is that the down tube acts as a torque lever for pedaling forces, increasing the stress at the other end - at the head tube.The real secret to down tube stiffness, Redcay says, is stiffening up the head/down tube joint and the upper fork blades.So much for intuition.
The long, beefy front sections of the top and down tubes also "bulletproof the front end against a collision," Reid adds.At the up- perend ofthedown tube,theextended butt also provides a solid base for the brazed-on shift lever bosses, a weak point on many frames. Specially-designed, investment cast lugs complete the bombproof frame design.
Not surprisingly, the 914 didn't mind a bit when I grudgingly coaxed myself out of the saddle for some dreaded intervals. This is one rigid frame all right, but as Reid claims, there's a modicum of comfort left over.The bike is stiff enough for racing, but triathlons are probably its most appropriate use since the stability that hampers elbow-to-elbow peloton riding is a benefit to solitary efforts
contrelamontre(againsttheclock).

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thanks, Wally. show contact info
* Miyata 914: Miyata's high-end road bike from the "Semi-Pro" group, with Shimano 105 first generation components.



Best Bike frame materialsΒ

I'm responding to the question posed by unworthy1. I understand that Ishiwata bicycle tubing company closed its tubing operation in 1993. Thereupon many of its craftsmen found employment with Kaisei. Kaisei is apparently still making tubing and holds a controlling share of the track bike market in Japan. I have no direct knowledge of all this, but recommend the site "bicycleretailer.com/headlines". Another site of interest is "desperadocycles.com" for its comparison of the internal diameters of tubing, including Ishiwata. Also, I propose that you type "Ishiwata tubing" into a search engine and do some browsing. Good luck.

The idea of spline tubing was originally introduced by Columbus with their steering tube. It pre-dated Miyata's splined tubing by decades. Columbus' SLX and SPX splined tubesets were introduced a couple of year's prior to Miyata, so it would appear that Miyata was copying Columbis, though they did introduce a couple of improvements on Columbus.Β

The splines in bicycle tubing are raised, helical ribs that increase strength and rigidity

NO ,Ishiwata was a woderfull tubing Co.. All on thier own, they're gone for over 15 years. Ishiwata was no Lighter per inch so to speak than Tange or others but the resulting frames generally wre lighter than Tange,Tange Prestige being the exception,Ishi. provided more varied lengths and such to suit unique needs of various builders. It was used by independants, Fugi and Brigestone. When Taiwan became the major source of frame building, Ishiwata folded,Fuji was a big client. When the Co's stopped using/making frames from Japan, Ishiwata couldn't survive, they made and provided tubes for primarily bike Co's, Tange for ep. made tubing for many types of maufacturers. Like Columbus always did.


Well, if memory serves me correctly, the tubing that Miyata used was made by Ishiwata. I believe that the advantages touted by that tubing was two fold...one, that butted tubing is stronger at the brazed joints and two, the splines were supposed to and strength and torsional stiffness without adding a lot of weight.

True temper, reynolds chromoly or chromo triple butted splined,Β Tange , Ishiwata, Vitus, Reynolds


By virtue of the spline construction, Columbus SLX would be the closest of the vintage tubesets. However, Miyata STB used triple butting to further tailor the tubes and had slightly thinner walls.

In the case of the 1990 and 1991 model 914, the 3 main tubes, steering tube, and fork blades were splined. The seat and stays were plain CrMo.

Originally Posted by vintagerando

https://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/5785086292.html

I loved this ad. Look in the corner of the photo: Prescription pills and cigarettes. Smokes, pills and riding.

Originally Posted by cb400bill

Lots of bike stuff, parts, accessories

my cheating husband ran off to new Mexico with his *****, so I'm selling all his ****.

Originally Posted by bikecrate

Yikes...I don't know much about the value, but I have to question some of the wisdom here. Investing $5,000 to upgrade a bike and then selling it for half that. This was supposed to be a bike for his son to take to college. Sounds like it would have been a thief magnet.

Klein Mountain Custom 27 Speed Bike W/ Over $5K in Upgrades - $2500 (Lakeland)...