e-RICHIE

curious in chester-
is it the track bike-ness that you like or is it the paired down, brake-less,
fixed gear part of the equation that gets you, er, wet and sticky?
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sloppy robot

i think a combo.. when i get on a "comfort" bike...i feel like im riding a lowrider with a long raked out fork..and ive owned a mellower made for road fixed gear before and didnt like it as much

i dont know the angles of my bike now.. but i dont think they are as crazy as some of the newer bikes..i mostly like when the wheels are tucked under me as far as possible and the front doesnt have that chopper feel.. maybe its from years of riding bikes and growing up racing bikes.. but ive never gotten off a bike and said "its too twitchy" ..i kinda get the sense that other people here feel that way

that being said.. clean lines and no brake holes do help with the sexyness.. but theres things about road and cross bikes that also do it for me

GoJavs

Twitchy is fine with me. I like having bikes that respond differently to me. Of all the bikes that I currently have fully assembled, I can't say there are any two that handle the same way.

That being said with Tesch's becoming harder to come by - and me fearing I'll wreck my 101 one of these days - where does one go for a racy, twitchy, steel steed? Yamaguchi?

e-RICHIE

if you find a frame that fits your saddle height, and it has a small amount of
trail (the measurement determined vis-a-vis* the head angle along with the
fork rake), it will be twitchy. it's not a steep angle thing nor is it a track thing.
it's a steering geometry thing atmo.
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* i love french phrases...

GoJavs

Sounds great, thanks e-richie!!....can't really turn down advise from the best....french-leaning or not...!

jitensha!

assuming the Tesch fits you perfectly, all you have to do is measure it precisely and give those numbers to any decent framebuilder and say, "i want this." i think you're making this more complicated than it has to be. "track" frames and "road" frames are very different beasts, but if you have a geometry in mind anyone can duplicate it.

mcatano

If gears and a steep seat angle ye seek, a Cervelo P2C ye shall find:

GoJavs

Thanks for the advise, I appreciate it. But, no I really don't think I am. In my original post, I just asked who else of the Keirin builders was actively building road bikes. I've got 6 road bikes built right now that serve me very well. However, just like everyone else, I'm always looking for the next, cool, fast toy....that's all...

e-RICHIE

here's my keirin builder built road frame.
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GoJavs

That's exactly the kind of s**t I'm talking about, e-richie. Thanks...!

Perhaps I just need to wait until a Naga shows up on ebay. Or, I'll just scrap the whole Japanese builder project and bid on that sweet Sachs currently on ebay. No track-like handling, but I think it would ride just fine...!!!!

potus

tourish:



more: https://popdan.com/hmbs05/?builder=watanabe

visitordesign

i have an interesting yamaguchi on order that should be ready shortly. i think it might be sorta what yr looking for as i wanted something similar and yamaguchi came up with what he felt interpreted what i conveyed to him. will post pics when i receive it.

sloppy robot

i dont build frames and to be honest.. i dont pay too much attention to angles and such.. i just know that the bikes ive had that have been labled "true" track frames are the ones ive enjoyed the most.. and the one labled a 'street' fixed gear was less fun..and i scoured the internets for the road bike version of the track frame i like most on the street because thats what i wanted my road bike to feel like also, and its pretty close.

sloppy robot

you gotta love that bikes track ends for maximum wheel tuck when youre rollinn the 20c's

GoJavs

Great! I look forward to seeing the pics. The few pictures I've seen of Yamaguchi's work have impressed me. Not the most ornate of bikes, but very fast-looking machines.

Thanks for the responses, everyone!