We're going to yell at you.
05-15-07, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by EventServices
So, where did we leave off?
05-15-07, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by botto
that's assuming you're capable of catching the person who pulls your jersey.
just sayin'
just sayin'
I actually thought they were good tips, but it's been my experience in leadership that yelling and screaming at the unknowing is the sign of a poor leader. I’m not saying that these guys in this pace line are trying to be leaders or even want to be, but it sounds like I wouldn't enjoy riding with them. The new jacks would be looking to them for guidance and instead get an earful of criticism when they mess up. They are leaders by proxy whether they like or not. If you don't want to teach then don't let new guys in. I'd much rather be told I couldn't ride with a group up front then get yelled at later. just my two cents.
i'd love to read more tips like this just so i have a better chance of not making a complete ass of myself the next time i find myself in a 30 mph paceline. it happens so often...
05-15-07, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by EventServices
I'll take you under my wing on Wednesday night when we're not going 30mph and when you're not an immediate threat to the well-being of 20 riders.
We'll yell because we don't have time to explain the intricacies and nuance of a paceline at that speed.
I know riders who will actually grab you by the jersey and physically remove you from the line. That's how important it is to us to NOT have to deal with you.
Elitist? OK, I'll go with that since we've worked hard to get to the elite level, and we want to train not teach on Tuesdays.
And seriously, it has nothing to do with ego. It has everything to do with training at the highest level possible. Don't confuse the two.
We'll yell because we don't have time to explain the intricacies and nuance of a paceline at that speed.
I know riders who will actually grab you by the jersey and physically remove you from the line. That's how important it is to us to NOT have to deal with you.
Elitist? OK, I'll go with that since we've worked hard to get to the elite level, and we want to train not teach on Tuesdays.
And seriously, it has nothing to do with ego. It has everything to do with training at the highest level possible. Don't confuse the two.
You are a ****** bag. Why let new people into your ride at all? If you tried that crap with me I would put my pump through your wheel. Idiot.
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Mmmm....
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05-15-07, 07:53 AM
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We were just talking about this thread. Now we always start off a group ride by telling new riders that they better do everything perfectly or we'll grab their jersey and throw them out of our line.
...when we stop laughing we usually let them in on the joke....usually.
...when we stop laughing we usually let them in on the joke....usually.
05-15-07, 07:56 AM
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But they're NEW fish. We should yell at them.
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Originally Posted by Mellow Johnny
You are a ****** bag. Why let new people into your ride at all? If you tried that crap with me I would put my pump through your wheel. Idiot.
05-15-07, 08:18 AM
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Grabbing someone by the jersey and "removing" them is NOT COOL no matter what. If you or your friends were responsible for that person going down and injuring themselves, (or getting hit by a car) you could find yourself in a lot of trouble. Plus, you never know what kind of pyscho you could be pissing off.
Yelling is one thing, but you should never grab or push someone out of anger. Especially in a group.
Yelling is one thing, but you should never grab or push someone out of anger. Especially in a group.
05-15-07, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by labrat_62
By now are we really missing Ryanwho?
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
But they're NEW fish. We should yell at them.
05-15-07, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by EventServices
I'll take you under my wing on Wednesday night when we're not going 30mph and when you're not an immediate threat to the well-being of 20 riders.
We'll yell because we don't have time to explain the intricacies and nuance of a paceline at that speed.
I know riders who will actually grab you by the jersey and physically remove you from the line. That's how important it is to us to NOT have to deal with you.
Elitist? OK, I'll go with that since we've worked hard to get to the elite level, and we want to train not teach on Tuesdays.
And seriously, it has nothing to do with ego. It has everything to do with training at the highest level possible. Don't confuse the two.
We'll yell because we don't have time to explain the intricacies and nuance of a paceline at that speed.
I know riders who will actually grab you by the jersey and physically remove you from the line. That's how important it is to us to NOT have to deal with you.
Elitist? OK, I'll go with that since we've worked hard to get to the elite level, and we want to train not teach on Tuesdays.
And seriously, it has nothing to do with ego. It has everything to do with training at the highest level possible. Don't confuse the two.
P.S. "elite" riders dont need to advertise because its already known....
Yeah I fall for internet trolls so what.
05-15-07, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tubescreamerx
I assume you all ride with bananas.. because you're badass?
I ride in my banana. That makes me a badass.
05-15-07, 09:41 AM
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Once again, I have to note the irony that those who are absolutely appalled by the notion of yelling or jersey grabbing somehow feel justified by responding with: punching, frame pump in the spokes, tackling, etc.
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Originally Posted by sverrefehn
Once again, I have to note the irony that those who are absolutely appalled by the notion of yelling or jersey grabbing somehow feel justified by responding with: punching, frame pump in the spokes, tackling, etc.
Don't forget to watch out for motorists...
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Originally Posted by EventServices
I know riders who will actually grab you by the jersey and physically remove you from the line. That's how important it is to us to NOT have to deal with you.
05-15-07, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPete
All of the above recommendations are fine and good, but I'm sure that these noob riders aren't showing up to your rides thinking "I wonder how I can break up this paceline." There is a certain amount of ignorance about how to ride in a paceline, and I'm sure that most riders who try it for the first time aren't trying to do anything malicious.
So, sure, educate them. But why yell? So you had to cover a bike length because someone dropped back early. I thought you were out there to work! Same goes for the rest of the stuff.
Bottom line is that there's a constructive, helpful way to teach someone something, and the snippy, snobbish, hostile way that makes people think you're a snob and hate the fact that they came out to ride with you. That's why people might think you're elitist--not because you ride in a paceline.
The whole "get it right or we're going to yell at you" a$$hole attitude is exactly what you claim it not to be--elitist. No egos? How about the entire group that chooses to intimidate the noob?. How about an experienced cyclist who tries to take a noob under his wing and instruct as they go? Might be more helpful than what you're doing...
DrPete
So, sure, educate them. But why yell? So you had to cover a bike length because someone dropped back early. I thought you were out there to work! Same goes for the rest of the stuff.
Bottom line is that there's a constructive, helpful way to teach someone something, and the snippy, snobbish, hostile way that makes people think you're a snob and hate the fact that they came out to ride with you. That's why people might think you're elitist--not because you ride in a paceline.
The whole "get it right or we're going to yell at you" a$$hole attitude is exactly what you claim it not to be--elitist. No egos? How about the entire group that chooses to intimidate the noob?. How about an experienced cyclist who tries to take a noob under his wing and instruct as they go? Might be more helpful than what you're doing...
DrPete
Maybe the OP and his buddies only race team time trials.
05-15-07, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Doggus
I ride in my banana. That makes me a badass.
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Originally Posted by bbattle
Maybe the OP and his buddies only race team time trials.
If you're riding in a group moving that fast, you damn well better know what you're doing, or someone can get hurt.
It certainly doesn't mean that I'm against new folks on a ride--hell, just this past sunday I was teaching new folks how to ride in a paceline, some of them for the first time. But when the pace is high and everyone's suffering is NOT the time to be teaching anyone.
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05-15-07, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sverrefehn
Once again, I have to note the irony that those who are absolutely appalled by the notion of yelling or jersey grabbing somehow feel justified by responding with: punching, frame pump in the spokes, tackling, etc.
i realize that this scenerio has never happened to me and the OP was just trying to make a point.
05-15-07, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPete
With some time and experience since that last post, I've come to be familiar with the type of rides that the OP was talking about. I have to say that I now see where he's coming from, and what kept me from catching on to that was my own inexperience.
If you're riding in a group moving that fast, you damn well better know what you're doing, or someone can get hurt.
It certainly doesn't mean that I'm against new folks on a ride--hell, just this past sunday I was teaching new folks how to ride in a paceline, some of them for the first time. But when the pace is high and everyone's suffering is NOT the time to be teaching anyone.
If you're riding in a group moving that fast, you damn well better know what you're doing, or someone can get hurt.
It certainly doesn't mean that I'm against new folks on a ride--hell, just this past sunday I was teaching new folks how to ride in a paceline, some of them for the first time. But when the pace is high and everyone's suffering is NOT the time to be teaching anyone.
Methinks we've run out of bait and beer, time to head home for some pie.
