Reynolds 

Maybe they are fooling some, they aren't fooling me.

unterhausen

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Phil_gretz

My mom had a Sears/Kenmore gas dryer that she bought to do my diapers in 1959. I can't recall whether it had the Kenmore branding or not.

It was porcelain over steel, not painted.

She had paid for a Sears service contract that extended the life of that dryer for decades beyond what even Sears imagined in even its worst nightmares. I recall visiting home in the early 1990s, and Sears was still servicing that dryer. Likely the oldest one that technician had ever worked on. Was the service contract justified economically? I can't say. Was it worth the amusement factor when the Sears tech showed up? Definitely.

Darth Lefty 

Bikes are durable goods. As long as you can buy service parts for your old bike you don’t need a new bike. The bike makers want you to buy a new bike. So it can’t be the same as the old bike. Otherwise why buy it?

genejockey 

After rydabent was complaining about 'huge heavy cassettes', it occurred to me that while dinner plate sized cogs do add weight, you also lose weight at the other end of the drivetrain, especially because he's complaining about replacing 3x with 1x. So I took a quick look....

So, a Campy Chorus 11 speed cassette is about 236g. Ekar 13 speed cassette is 410g, so there's 174g heavier.

OTOH, the Chorus 2x crank weighs 728g, while the Ekar 1x crank weighs 615, so that's 87g LIGHTER. This reduces the weight penalty for 1x over 2x to 87g.

As luck would have it, the Chorus FD weighs.... you guessed it! 87g! Bringing the total weight penalty to ZERO.

genejockey 

My brother-in-law used to complain that Dodge didn't just keep selling a car like the 1973 Dart his Dad gave him and my sister when they got married. They got married in '78 and kept the Dart at least another 5 years, so what he was really saying is, he might buy the same car every 10 years, which is not any car company's ideal customer. More like a way to go slowly and painfully out of business.

Reynolds 

Of course bike companies always want to sell more, but many times I want to spend less.

PeteHski

That's all great. But why do you feel the need to criticise modern gear that you clearly don't have the faintest clue about?

PeteHski

But he only sees the downside because that's all he wants to see. He has also deluded himself into thinking his view is logical and the entire industry is going in the wrong direction by moving away from 3x8 drivetrains.

Korina

Well, there'd be a huge need for bike mechanics, and for people to repair other things, because everything breaks down eventually; new parts would be needed too, and people to make them.

PeteHski

1x12 is not illogical or crap. Someone else has already explained why it isn't the same as some ancient 2x6 but of course you weren't listening. Your mind is a closed shop.

Fredo76

I changed my stem out a couple of days ago, and I didn't have to fuss with ANY other parts! That's kinda cool.

But, on the other hand, the thought of bicycle parts not working because of software incompatibilities kinda makes me want to throw up.

And anyone who can't take a good rant from a qualified curmudgeon needs to go for a ride... Sheesh!

WhyFi

This is why I like the approach that Trek has taken, on some of their newer models, with respect to integrated cockpits. While this is a one-piece bar/stem, they're also doing this with separates, I believe. Since the cables/brake lines don't thread through either the bars or the stem, you could conceivably change either (within reason) without a major hassle, as long as there was a little bit of slack left upon initial install.

70sSanO

https://vimeo.com/65921206

John

seypat

Which thread are we in? As I stated previously in one of these gearing/3X/etc threads, I compared the weights of groups from Shimano and Suntour that had both 2X and 3X available within the same group. If the 2x had to go 30T+ on the back cogs to match the range of the 3X, the 2X was always the heavier setup. I think that was up through the 5500/6500 Shimano groups. Suntour also made GT Long cages on their upper models. And, most of the matching FDs will shift a triple as well.

genejockey 

As if that matters.

genejockey 

But there would be no wildly underpriced C&V bikes on Craigs List, and that's enough by itself to make this whole thing unworkable!

seypat

QFT. N+1.(or many)

rydabent

That is the beauty of a bike. It is essentially a frame that can be dressed with gears, a chain and everything that builds it up into a rideable bike. Anything that wears out can be replaced. Therefore it is up to the cyclist to determine what is "new" or just sales hype.

rydabent

Why would you assume that I dont have "the faintest clue" about what is on new bikes? I didnt get to be my age by being stupid.

rydabent

I notice in the LH panel you have your location down pat.

Mojo31

That's a pretty slick piece of kit. Have been thinking about adding that to my crusty old man's bike.

You know, so I can look like one of the cool kids.

WhyFi

Do eeet!

Mojo31

Save 7 watts! I could use that.

Maelochs

Mr. Rydabent ..... I have said many times that as old as you are, with as much riding experience, you Should have a clue abut the value of the newer stuff .... but you continue making posts either revealing or pretending that you are simply not wise enough to understand that value.

And we all know that a lot of people get old by being lucky with genetics or health insurance ... there are plenty of old people out there without a lick of wisdom and a bunch who haven't learned anything since high school ... when there were only 48 states. We have all met them .... and you act like them.

Lots of stupid people get old and don't die ... we live in a society where we have muzzled Mr. Darwin, and people have to actually try quite hard to pay a price for even the grossest stupidity. We live in a society where (regardless of what we tell out children) education is not a big thing---most people stop learning in general once they leave public school or college, and don't use a fraction of what they have learned. A lot of them never question what they were taught, which is why we have arguments over Columbus and the causes of the Civil War.

On top of all that you either deliberately or due to age, mental infirmity, or stupidity, contradict yourself, make false statements, and pretend to be or actually are unable to grasp that radically different things are different, if it suits your rant to conflate them. Your lack of either self-respect or self-awareness is shocking.

Too many gears!!!! shouted the guy with 27 speeds on his recumbent .... regarding the guy with only 12 speeds on his gravel bike. That sums it up right there.