Bike Computer Accuracy
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No one has stated that GPS is more accurate in all circumstances.
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It's good to select from a given time frame...
... and not from a given distance, type of ride etc. Same reason as above, and to eliminate variables.
If you have a "snap to road" option in your software, turn it off for the checks. Snap to road will basically report the map distance, not the bike's true distance.
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I don't use GPS. If I am riding/touring in a unfamiliar area, I use PGS, which stands for Paper Guidance System, also known as cue sheets. Try starting a campfire with a GPS unit or cell phone absent battery asplosion.
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What difference could that possibly make? Are the roads different lengths on different days?
How about you supposed to compare the repeatability of GPS-calculated distances if you use different routes?
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A few percent or a half mph is really a pretty close measurement, Much more accurate than your vehicles speedometer or a police radar gun. (generally calibrated to within 3 mph)
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The road could change??? You're really reaching now. (Even if the road did change, that would make GPS look worse than it really is.)
Cherry picking? You specifically proposed the following:
I did exactly what you proposed, and I did it by choosing a route that I had ridden many times with a consistent beginning and end. I'm not going to go out and repeat a bunch of routes of varying distance and terrain to satisfy your curiosity. Do it yourself.
All routes within a set should be the same. Don't cherry-pick the type of route to test. I get the feeling you're just being argumentative, because with a moment's thought you would have seen all this.
Originally Posted by wphamilton
If anyone is turned off by all the theory and math, it's pretty easy to compare precisions for yourself. Ride the same route a number of times and see how the GPS distance estimate varies ...
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but don't forget that many cyclists rely on their phones for GPS services.
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I do not follow your meaning. I wrote that many riders use their phones as bike computers, which, I thought, requires the GPS functions. You called that a 'silly assumption.' I pointed out that the statement was not an assumption; rather, the statement was based on data. (BTW, you can check the data with the search function.)
My argument that GPSes are less reliable than sensors for distance and speed is based not on my difficulties but on data. You can't check the data about my rides, but you certainly can find lots of authoritative warnings that consumer-level (and probably military) GPSes don't do well under canopies of leaves, and leaves aren't the only obstacles.
That argument is pretty clear, and pretty clearly not silly or inane. If you disagree, fine ... come back with some facts and logical interpretations of those facts..
You started this dialog with an insult. You followed with 'silly,' 'inane,' 'please pay attention', and with 2 sentences that I find incomprehensible. I might respond if you post something on topic and understandable. I won't respond to more posts like #113.
And please don't quote me again. I really don't like the notifications.
My argument that GPSes are less reliable than sensors for distance and speed is based not on my difficulties but on data. You can't check the data about my rides, but you certainly can find lots of authoritative warnings that consumer-level (and probably military) GPSes don't do well under canopies of leaves, and leaves aren't the only obstacles.
That argument is pretty clear, and pretty clearly not silly or inane. If you disagree, fine ... come back with some facts and logical interpretations of those facts..
You started this dialog with an insult. You followed with 'silly,' 'inane,' 'please pay attention', and with 2 sentences that I find incomprehensible. I might respond if you post something on topic and understandable. I won't respond to more posts like #113.
And please don't quote me again. I really don't like the notifications.
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well obviously. I am advising correct methodology, not a methodology that would make one hypothesis look better.
I did exactly what you proposed, and I did it by choosing a route that I had ridden many times with a consistent beginning and end. I'm not going to go out and repeat a bunch of routes of varying distance and terrain to satisfy your curiosity. Do it yourself.
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For rides, I use a bike computer (magnet in the spokes) and Ride With GPS on an iPhone. For distance, both provide similar results (20 miles vs. 19.9 miles). But for speed, the difference is bothersome (14 mph vs. 13.5 mps). Is this typical?
I ride along the road (with some trails) in the suburbs..
I ride along the road (with some trails) in the suburbs..
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Nobody asked you to repeat any tests. You wanted to know why someone shouldn't cherry pick the type of route, and I explained why.
If your integrity is ok with what you've presented, that's fine. Nobody is accusing you.
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we are fortunate enough to have a bike path with mile markers , this Avocet is dialed in at +/- 0.01 miles per 5 mile trip,
depends on how much weaving we do,
don't use it anymore, too depressing, distracts from ride enjoyment,
it is the "dang, i thought i felt pretty good today but i am 2 minutes slower than yesterday when i felt like crap" syndrome.
good for total miles if you like to journal your rides, but we already have all the route miles figured out, jus sayin, wtf?
we like doing the same rides over and over again, familiarity - security, going on new rides gives me nervous diarrhea,
is that too much info? what are the rules at this forum on diarrhea?
depends on how much weaving we do,
don't use it anymore, too depressing, distracts from ride enjoyment,
it is the "dang, i thought i felt pretty good today but i am 2 minutes slower than yesterday when i felt like crap" syndrome.
good for total miles if you like to journal your rides, but we already have all the route miles figured out, jus sayin, wtf?
we like doing the same rides over and over again, familiarity - security, going on new rides gives me nervous diarrhea,
is that too much info? what are the rules at this forum on diarrhea?
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Actually I don't use GPS for measuring my rides. My GPS is an android. It often records jumps of up to half a mile. Teleportation?
Don't matter. I use it for a map of my rides later. Going thru pix later you can usually find exactly where you took the pic using Strava. And if somebody is interested in your ride you can share it.
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https://www.instructables.com/How-to...never%20before.
Actually I don't use GPS for measuring my rides. My GPS is an android. It often records jumps of up to half a mile. Teleportation?
Don't matter. I use it for a map of my rides later. Going thru pix later you can usually find exactly where you took the pic using Strava. And if somebody is interested in your ride you can share it.
Actually I don't use GPS for measuring my rides. My GPS is an android. It often records jumps of up to half a mile. Teleportation?
Don't matter. I use it for a map of my rides later. Going thru pix later you can usually find exactly where you took the pic using Strava. And if somebody is interested in your ride you can share it.