atariwhizkid

Do any of you use studded tires in Baltimore on a regular basis for commuting? I used to have a set when I lived in Ohio but I sold them when I moved here, thinking that the winters here were mild enough not to warrant their use. I didn't commute in the winter last year (but it was pretty terrible), and today's snow was dicey enough to get me thinking about buying another pair.

Thoughts from anyone here that commutes/rides in Baltimore: will they be worth the money? Or is there not enough snow and ice to warrant a purchase?

greaterbrown

I think they're worth it. I'm not much for full on snow riding. I'll do the shortest possible route (includes use of Metro) for that. But Baltimore hangs in that 30 degree area where there is a little snow, then a little melting, then a refreeze- this is where you get a lot of wet icy wash outs on the roads. Even when they're infrequent, studded tires give you a MUCH higher level of calm when riding in traffic. And, what little they slow you down from drag, they more than make up for by allowing you to ride faster in mixed conditions.

BTW if the tires are just for commuting, I'd get the thinnest and fastest one's you can find. My recommendations are the Schwalbe Marathon Winters (NR rides them and they look like they're great tires) and I ride on Nokian A10's for a 650B wheeled bike.

NoRacer

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What he said!

I'm riding mine pretty much full time now. My commute is 24 miles--Essex to Aberdeen on Pulaski Hwy.

This morning's commute: https://connect.garmin.com/activity/59906156

atariwhizkid

24 miles on studded tires! You are a beast! I only have a 5 miles to go and I dread the resistance of snow/ice tires.

Going to consider both the Nokians and Schwalbes. Any idea on what is more durable? Reviews on Schwalbes seem to point toward them being a little bit longer lasting, and perhaps a better deal in the long run.

balto charlie

Missing my studded bike these days! Hope to be back in the saddle with them by next week. Xmas parties require me to schlep foods (read: drive car)and bike meetings leaving me little time to wrench.

You go Isaias and Bob, I'm with you in spirit.

@Atari: Studs allow you to always be ready for days like yesterday. I think it best to have a dedicated winter bike that is always ready to roll. That being said, mine sits idle so do as I say not as I do. I figure I save about 5 bucks in gas (at least) per day so I can easily justify buying studded tires. I use Nokians, haven't lost a stud, 4 years old and still solid. Some years I have only used them a handful of times. Last year they were on the bike for a month at least. Around here even if it doesn't snow often it does go through a freeze and thaw period. Daytime snow melts then refreezes on the roads at night. I ride very early6-630 so ice is everywhere. I use the mnt bike studded Nokians as iuse to ride some single track for part of my commute. I no longer ride that section. They are noticeably slow but I can handle some snow as well as ice. They are called N. Mount and Guard 160's. Enough studs but not too many. If you stick with city type streets and ice is your main concern check out the Schwalbes as they offer good ice handling and lower resistance. Not certain if Nokians sell a narrow tire. Nobody sold a narrow tire when I bought mine. In fact mine was the least resistant tire back then.

EDIT: I own these 26" Nokian Hakkapeliitta W106, I checked Peter Whites site

NoRacer

My set of Schwalbes are on their second season with only 3 studs having fallen out.

NoRacer

Thanks, Charlie!

greaterbrown

Peter White's page about studded tires is a good explanation of the differences. https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/studdedtires.asp
The Nokian A10's seem like they have a more squared off shape. They are very stable going straight but the transition into a curve feels a little awkward (but never with loss of traction). The Schwalbe's appear to have a more rounded shape so I bet they transition to the side more smoothly, but I've never ridden them. They are both good all-arounder tires.

HC203

Just mounted my cyclocross tires on my trek 520. What i had on last winter, won't help much with ice but i feel a tad more stable than riding slicks-and i'm riding down to 5ml race in druid tmrw-why drive? parking will be hell. Looks like biggest problem you may have with schwable is finding them in stock. I see Continental makes a winter tire as well. Ive had good luck with Connies so may go with them. Either way it is an investment. I would just keep them on my 520 as winter bike.

HC203

Did I pay too much? said they were on sale. Thanks for that link GB, very informative. I figure if these work for the 15k man then they're good enough for me.

700 x 35c Marathon Winter

$69.95

$139.90

greaterbrown

That's seems like the going rate for those tires now. Bike tires direct showed them a little cheaper, but they're out of stock.
Hot damn. Harry's going ice-bikin'

greaterbrown

Hows about a winter get-together y'all? I've got Sunday January 9th free for a brunch at Koopers in Fells Point.

Next Ramble will be the simple, but hilly ride: "To Frederick On Frederick". I'll schedule it for January 2nd unless Isaias (or others) voice dissent.

HC203

I'll put down Jan 2 for ramble and try again, was planning on doing something on Jan1, not sure what.

Rode down to the Celtic Solstice 5 miler in Druid Hill today. My cyclocross tires were fine though a bit fat and rubbing on fenders, maybe brake pads. Coming home was kind of grueling, but short of course. I had just run 5 miles, maybe that had something to do with it. My friend John, runs Gertrudes at BMA hosted pancake breakfast after race, huge stack of chocolate sweet potato pancakes-YUMM!!

Would be into the winter get together-except I think I'm doing a hike that weekend-Old Rag.

NoRacer

Bob--no dissent here. I have no plans to do the winter CWC this year, especially since 15k seems to be very much in the bag. Looking forward to the winter get-together.

Ok, as of today's ride, I have retired last year's mileage personal best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Every ride for the remainder of the year will be a new personal best until midnight January 1.

greaterbrown

Phew! My sentiments exactly. (of course if it's a beautiful day... )
We're closing in. I might ride Renee's ride on Monday giving me a quick 60. Taking it easy tomorrow. doing some shopping.

maxine

I'm in!

greaterbrown

Nice.
Hope Charlie can make it.

Rode 61 miles today. Tomorrow's commute should do it.

NoRacer

: Good for you!

I still have about 200 miles yet to go.

balto charlie

I'm in
As I write this you will be riding and cresting the 10K mileage, awesome. Well done GB

As for me: have been off of the bike for almost a week. I think last Wednesday was the last ride. Partys, meetings and shopping have cut into my miles. I just had a great meeting with our new councilman about biking in our 'hood. It went very well!! I think we are finally going to see some bike lane going down in Baltimore County. Winter beater should be back on the road by weeks end as the build is going well. Finally hacked sawed my bar ends to retrieve the shifters and brakes. When buying the new cables, bar and stuff at Bicycle works I ran into none other than GB getting some work done to his new steed.
NR: better get the miles in before Christmas, a major storm expected. I remember last year with you all poised to crest 15K only to be beaten down by mother nature at the finish line.
Hey Max, nice seeing you around.

maxine

What he said! GB and NR, you guys rock! (As the kids say .) [[[ applause! ]]]

Charlie, it's really admirable how you have jumped into the city cycling advocacy scene. Well done!

Really?? Oh, man. I thought we were just getting some "snow showers." I'll be up in PA, but driving back Sunday, and hoping I won't have to get out and shovel before I can pull into the driveway!

I will likely have to resort to 4 wheels for the Koopers get-together . . . unless I happen to be able to buy some "snow tires" *and* get some practice in using them before then! (In winters past, cold temps have usually not chased me off the bike, but lingering frozen precip on the ground has; I've never tried studded tires. From what you guys say, though, taking into account my ALREADY slow riding pace, I'd probably have to leave at sunup to make Fells Point by brunch! )

greaterbrown

I stopped at a liquor store on my way in this morning and bought a bottle of Belgian Duvel for a little afterwork celebration.

Gotta get NR over the hump now. I've got some time between xmas and ny and would be up for a century to round out the year. I bet you've got it in the bag with commuting anyway. GO Isaias!

Glad Charlie's in for the brunch. Psyched.

NoRacer

Yay!!!!! Good job, GB!

I'm not working this week, so it's been a mental battle to get out on the bike.

I did ride about 65 miles today--have about 127 miles left.

The support is appreciated, but it's my own mental fortitude that will make or break me. I think the studded tires are making it harder. There's really no reason to have them on right now, but come Saturday they will probably be required.

balto charlie

GB

NR: double metric, chump change for you. Swap them tires and fly. I looked at Bikejournal the other day and your mileage ranks in the top 15 of the country You're probably #1 in MD as most of the cyclist are from the south(Tex, Ca etc). GB is probably #2 in the state. Onward!

HC203

You guys are an inspiration!! Hopefully I can at least commit to a century a month in 2011.

Right now I fear I need to take a break from the bike. Being freaked by high PSA numbers. PSAnxiety!! Apparently lots of biking can bounce the numbers and I have a history of prostatitis-so hoping that's all it is.

Actually right now looking for a saddle that will allow me some relief so I can keep riding-even so, if I do the Ramble in January you can expect to see me standing-lots.

greaterbrown

Public Service Announcements?

Love to see you more often. BTW when you get your Schwalbes set up, feel free to drop in on my Saturday commutes or a monday ride.

re: Saddles- I love the feel and construction of these: https://www.koobi.com/koobiprscentury.aspx
(the cut-out goes all way to the nose)