Sugar doesn't hurt you - as long as you eat it in moderation
07-25-16, 02:14 PM
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Pretty much every time a food has been portrayed as a "super villain" it has turned out to be not so bad in hindsight.
MSG was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Salt was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Fat was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Saturated fat was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
HFCS was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Sugar was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Gluten was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Be wary any time a single food is blamed for all of our problems. It's never that simple. The people doing this are usually looking to sell books or seminars and offer up a "quick fix" to get people's interest.
Sugar isn't awful. It just is empty calories and is easy to over-consume because it tastes so good. A small amount won't impact your health in any way. It isn't an "all or nothing" situation. Sadly, many people consume far to much and that is when the problems arise.
MSG was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Salt was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Fat was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Saturated fat was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
HFCS was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Sugar was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Gluten was terrible and the root of all nutritional evil.
Be wary any time a single food is blamed for all of our problems. It's never that simple. The people doing this are usually looking to sell books or seminars and offer up a "quick fix" to get people's interest.
Sugar isn't awful. It just is empty calories and is easy to over-consume because it tastes so good. A small amount won't impact your health in any way. It isn't an "all or nothing" situation. Sadly, many people consume far to much and that is when the problems arise.
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07-25-16, 04:01 PM
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funny how people will whitewash any kind of bad eating and diet habits in the name of gluttony.
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Yes, exactly. I believe you said "many people consume far too much and that is when the problems arise."
Also I would add to your list, it seems like many people look to one evil villain in the food department to explain some generalized physical discomfort, or some general overall feeling of malaise, dystopia, whatever.
The number of people, even within my larger family of relatives, now claiming that all their health problems are caused by (for example) gluten really amuses me, when the "The percentage of people with clinically diagnosed disease (symptoms prompting diagnostic testing) is 0.05–0.27% in various studies." (wikipedia)
I once had a housemate of the same outlook who read some pamphlet, some websites, then ordered a whole enema kit which she used daily for a couple of weeks. Of course, it made no difference.
Also I would add to your list, it seems like many people look to one evil villain in the food department to explain some generalized physical discomfort, or some general overall feeling of malaise, dystopia, whatever.
The number of people, even within my larger family of relatives, now claiming that all their health problems are caused by (for example) gluten really amuses me, when the "The percentage of people with clinically diagnosed disease (symptoms prompting diagnostic testing) is 0.05–0.27% in various studies." (wikipedia)
I once had a housemate of the same outlook who read some pamphlet, some websites, then ordered a whole enema kit which she used daily for a couple of weeks. Of course, it made no difference.
07-26-16, 12:13 PM
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Yes, exactly. I believe you said "many people consume far too much and that is when the problems arise."
Also I would add to your list, it seems like many people look to one evil villain in the food department to explain some generalized physical discomfort, or some general overall feeling of malaise, dystopia, whatever.
The number of people, even within my larger family of relatives, now claiming that all their health problems are caused by (for example) gluten really amuses me, when the "The percentage of people with clinically diagnosed disease (symptoms prompting diagnostic testing) is 0.05–0.27% in various studies." (wikipedia)
I once had a housemate of the same outlook who read some pamphlet, some websites, then ordered a whole enema kit which she used daily for a couple of weeks. Of course, it made no difference.
Also I would add to your list, it seems like many people look to one evil villain in the food department to explain some generalized physical discomfort, or some general overall feeling of malaise, dystopia, whatever.
The number of people, even within my larger family of relatives, now claiming that all their health problems are caused by (for example) gluten really amuses me, when the "The percentage of people with clinically diagnosed disease (symptoms prompting diagnostic testing) is 0.05–0.27% in various studies." (wikipedia)
I once had a housemate of the same outlook who read some pamphlet, some websites, then ordered a whole enema kit which she used daily for a couple of weeks. Of course, it made no difference.
A great book to read is called the "The Gluten Lie" by Alan Levinovitz. It's pretty crazy just now little we actually know about nutrition and how much of this stuff is really not based on any true science.
07-26-16, 01:45 PM
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eat more MSG, folks
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07-26-16, 03:50 PM
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Just a lazy strawman. From the guy who can't understand the difference between gluttony and moderation.
07-26-16, 04:17 PM
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I stay away from sucrose for the simple reasons that it acts as a stimulant drug in my system, leading to a short term high then deeper crash. Also, for me, quite addicting.
Sucrose was never consumed in large quantities by man until recent years. (A half millennium being a short time in the big picture.) The primary sources for humans are from very dilute sap (maple, beet and cane). My little hummingbirds eat large amounts of I suspect nearly pure sucrose (flower nectar) and suffer no ill effects from drinking the sucrose water I put out from them. But if I took all the nectar from my honeysuckle vine, I might get a cup. In one year.
It seems logical to me that humans are not designed to eat more than very small amounts of sucrose. It certainly feels that way for me. And this observation is not because of all the news, etc. I've read in the past few years. This is based on observation of my body 40 years ago when I raced, ate a very clean diet of whole foods and was very in tune with all aspects of my body and diet.
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Sucrose was never consumed in large quantities by man until recent years. (A half millennium being a short time in the big picture.) The primary sources for humans are from very dilute sap (maple, beet and cane). My little hummingbirds eat large amounts of I suspect nearly pure sucrose (flower nectar) and suffer no ill effects from drinking the sucrose water I put out from them. But if I took all the nectar from my honeysuckle vine, I might get a cup. In one year.
It seems logical to me that humans are not designed to eat more than very small amounts of sucrose. It certainly feels that way for me. And this observation is not because of all the news, etc. I've read in the past few years. This is based on observation of my body 40 years ago when I raced, ate a very clean diet of whole foods and was very in tune with all aspects of my body and diet.
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I stay away from sucrose for the simple reasons that it acts as a stimulant drug in my system, leading to a short term high then deeper crash. Also, for me, quite addicting.
Sucrose was never consumed in large quantities by man until recent years. (A half millennium being a short time in the big picture.) The primary sources for humans are from very dilute sap (maple, beet and cane). My little hummingbirds eat large amounts of I suspect nearly pure sucrose (flower nectar) and suffer no ill effects from drinking the sucrose water I put out from them. But if I took all the nectar from my honeysuckle vine, I might get a cup. In one year.
It seems logical to me that humans are not designed to eat more than very small amounts of sucrose. It certainly feels that way for me. And this observation is not because of all the news, etc. I've read in the past few years. This is based on observation of my body 40 years ago when I raced, ate a very clean diet of whole foods and was very in tune with all aspects of my body and diet.
Ben
Sucrose was never consumed in large quantities by man until recent years. (A half millennium being a short time in the big picture.) The primary sources for humans are from very dilute sap (maple, beet and cane). My little hummingbirds eat large amounts of I suspect nearly pure sucrose (flower nectar) and suffer no ill effects from drinking the sucrose water I put out from them. But if I took all the nectar from my honeysuckle vine, I might get a cup. In one year.
It seems logical to me that humans are not designed to eat more than very small amounts of sucrose. It certainly feels that way for me. And this observation is not because of all the news, etc. I've read in the past few years. This is based on observation of my body 40 years ago when I raced, ate a very clean diet of whole foods and was very in tune with all aspects of my body and diet.
Ben
I only ask because the normal thing is for there to be a very blunted insulin response when you are exercising intensely. This is because insulin is released when your body detects excess blood sugar in a scenario where it knows you need to store it (i.e. you are not using it rapidly). So a sugar crash secondary to insulin release would be very unusual while exercising at intensity. Which is why sugar consumed on the bike is (for most people) just so different than sugar off the bike- the insulin responses in those two scenarios (racing vs burning fuel slowly when you're inactive or exercising lightly) are markedly different.
Which is not to say that any given individual might not be an outlier. But I was just curious to know if you are talking about sugar on the bike?
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Curious as to whether you observed this effect from consuming sugar while you were on the bike, riding intensely or racing?
I only ask because the normal thing is for there to be a very blunted insulin response when you are exercising intensely. This is because insulin is released when your body detects excess blood sugar in a scenario where it knows you need to store it (i.e. you are not using it rapidly). So a sugar crash secondary to insulin release would be very unusual while exercising at intensity. Which is why sugar consumed on the bike is (for most people) just so different than sugar off the bike- the insulin responses in those two scenarios (racing vs burning fuel slowly when you're inactive or exercising lightly) are markedly different.
Which is not to say that any given individual might not be an outlier. But I was just curious to know if you are talking about sugar on the bike?
I only ask because the normal thing is for there to be a very blunted insulin response when you are exercising intensely. This is because insulin is released when your body detects excess blood sugar in a scenario where it knows you need to store it (i.e. you are not using it rapidly). So a sugar crash secondary to insulin release would be very unusual while exercising at intensity. Which is why sugar consumed on the bike is (for most people) just so different than sugar off the bike- the insulin responses in those two scenarios (racing vs burning fuel slowly when you're inactive or exercising lightly) are markedly different.
Which is not to say that any given individual might not be an outlier. But I was just curious to know if you are talking about sugar on the bike?
At the time of my racing, I knew little of insulin and its/the body's response to sugars. I did no experiments doing the same ride with and without sucrose or sucrose with or without riding hard. The tendency for me to build both tolerance and addiction for sucrose is something that I have seen clearly so I just make it a point to stay away (except I am a sucker for peanut M & Ms when I shop and often buy the little bag at the checkout stand. Gone before I get home.) I do buy 10 pound bags of the pure stuff but it all goes to my little hummers. (In not much over a year.)
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A large part of hummingbird's diet is bugs, they couldn't survive on sugar alone and in fact are very good at hunting insects. Humans don't have quite the metabolic rate of a hummingbird, and thus have a much lower threshold for sugar tolerance.
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Yes, exactly. I believe you said "many people consume far too much and that is when the problems arise."
Also I would add to your list, it seems like many people look to one evil villain in the food department to explain some generalized physical discomfort, or some general overall feeling of malaise, dystopia, whatever.
The number of people, even within my larger family of relatives, now claiming that all their health problems are caused by (for example) gluten really amuses me, when the "The percentage of people with clinically diagnosed disease (symptoms prompting diagnostic testing) is 0.05–0.27% in various studies." (wikipedia)
I once had a housemate of the same outlook who read some pamphlet, some websites, then ordered a whole enema kit which she used daily for a couple of weeks. Of course, it made no difference.
Also I would add to your list, it seems like many people look to one evil villain in the food department to explain some generalized physical discomfort, or some general overall feeling of malaise, dystopia, whatever.
The number of people, even within my larger family of relatives, now claiming that all their health problems are caused by (for example) gluten really amuses me, when the "The percentage of people with clinically diagnosed disease (symptoms prompting diagnostic testing) is 0.05–0.27% in various studies." (wikipedia)
I once had a housemate of the same outlook who read some pamphlet, some websites, then ordered a whole enema kit which she used daily for a couple of weeks. Of course, it made no difference.
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I wonder what bugs they find when it is in the 20s and the feeders freeze.
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Bingo! Nothing wrong with any and probability all the little extras. Sugar, booze, dairy, fatty crap, etc.. But (thank God) so many people now have access to so much food. Unfortunately, they just tend to make many repeated wrong choices.
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Interesting information regarding poultry and prostate cancer that has some validity and unknown by many men. Just depends on how much or how little one is willing to avail one's self of product consumption along with information acceptance. A little bit CAN be harmful, it's just to what degree.
Choline and Prostate Cancer - Medella Optimal Health
07-27-16, 08:53 AM
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Interesting information regarding poultry and prostate cancer that has some validity and unknown by many men. Just depends on how much or how little one is willing to avail one's self of product consumption along with information acceptance. A little bit CAN be harmful, it's just to what degree.
Choline and Prostate Cancer - Medella Optimal Health
Choline and Prostate Cancer - Medella Optimal Health
Choline: An Essential Nutrient for Public Health
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If your a chicken farmer you may be concerned with Histoplasmosis. If you raise beef, hay lung might be a concern. A pig farmer (I knew) swore a connection with pork consumption and Lupus. A man (I knew) that practiced many old farming and preserving methods died from stomach cancer. Although rare in America... a big killer globally.
Life itself is fatal. I think the big killers are obvious. Smoking, drinking, reckless behavior, war and murder.
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Choline also has several health benefits and most people don't get enough. It certainly isn't harmful to the general peopulation.
Choline: An Essential Nutrient for Public Health
Choline: An Essential Nutrient for Public Health
Yes, Choline IS needed; however, one must balance if indeed there can be a very negative effect.
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I guess the main problem with sugar is that it's seperated from stuff it belongs to and put into stuff it doesn't belong in, because it masks poor flavours and your tastebuds get used to it and want more of it.
07-27-16, 01:02 PM
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This paragraph is taken directly out of Hammer Nutrition:
We believe that fructose, sucrose, glucose, and other simple sugars (mono-and disaccharides) are poor carbohydrate sources for fueling your body during exercise. Also for optimal health you should restrict your intake of these simple sugars
For endurance athletes, the primary problem with fuels containing simple sugars is that they must be mixed in weal 6-8% solutions in order to match body fluid osmolality parameters( 280-303 mOsm) and thus be digested with any efficiency. Unfortunately, solutions mixed and consumed at this concentration only provide, at the most, about 100 calories per hour, inadequate for maintaining energy production on a hourly basis for most athletes. Using 6-8% solution to obtain adequate calories means your fluid intake becomes so high that it causes discomfort and bloating, and you may possibly overhydrate to point of fluid intoxication.
You can't make a double or triple strength mixture from a simple sugar-based carbohydrate fuel in hopes of obtaining adequate calories because the concentration of that mixture, now far beyond the 6-8% mark, will remain in your stomach until sufficiently diluted, which may cause substantial stomach distress. You can drink more fluids in hopes of self diluting the overly concentrated mixture, but remember that you'll increase the risk of overhydration. However, if you don't dilute with more water and electrolytes, your body will recruit these from other areas that critically need them and divert them to digestive system to deal with the concentrated simple sugar mix. This can result in a variety of stomach-related distresses, not to mention increased cramping potential.
The bottom line is that simple sugar-based drinks or gels have to be mixed and consumed at a very dilute and calorically weak concentrations in order to be digested with any efficiency. A simple sugar-based product used at a properly mixed concentrations cannot provide adequate calories to sustain energy production. Any way you look at it, fuels containing simple sugars are inefficient and therefore not recommended during prolonged exercise.
Complex carbohydrates ( polysaccharides) are the best choice for endurance athletes, as they allow your digestive system to rapidly and efficiently process a greater volume of calories, providing steady energy. Unlike simple sugars, which match body osmolality at 6-8% solutions, complex carbohydrates match body fluid osmolality ate substantially more concentrated 15-18% solutions. Even at this seemingly high concentration, complex carbohydrates ( maltodextrins/glucose polymers) will empty the stomach at the same efficient rate as normal body fluids, providing up to three times more calories for energy production then simple sugar mixtures. This means that you can fulfill you caloric requirements without running the risk of overhydration or other stomach-related maladies.
We believe that fructose, sucrose, glucose, and other simple sugars (mono-and disaccharides) are poor carbohydrate sources for fueling your body during exercise. Also for optimal health you should restrict your intake of these simple sugars
For endurance athletes, the primary problem with fuels containing simple sugars is that they must be mixed in weal 6-8% solutions in order to match body fluid osmolality parameters( 280-303 mOsm) and thus be digested with any efficiency. Unfortunately, solutions mixed and consumed at this concentration only provide, at the most, about 100 calories per hour, inadequate for maintaining energy production on a hourly basis for most athletes. Using 6-8% solution to obtain adequate calories means your fluid intake becomes so high that it causes discomfort and bloating, and you may possibly overhydrate to point of fluid intoxication.
You can't make a double or triple strength mixture from a simple sugar-based carbohydrate fuel in hopes of obtaining adequate calories because the concentration of that mixture, now far beyond the 6-8% mark, will remain in your stomach until sufficiently diluted, which may cause substantial stomach distress. You can drink more fluids in hopes of self diluting the overly concentrated mixture, but remember that you'll increase the risk of overhydration. However, if you don't dilute with more water and electrolytes, your body will recruit these from other areas that critically need them and divert them to digestive system to deal with the concentrated simple sugar mix. This can result in a variety of stomach-related distresses, not to mention increased cramping potential.
The bottom line is that simple sugar-based drinks or gels have to be mixed and consumed at a very dilute and calorically weak concentrations in order to be digested with any efficiency. A simple sugar-based product used at a properly mixed concentrations cannot provide adequate calories to sustain energy production. Any way you look at it, fuels containing simple sugars are inefficient and therefore not recommended during prolonged exercise.
Complex carbohydrates ( polysaccharides) are the best choice for endurance athletes, as they allow your digestive system to rapidly and efficiently process a greater volume of calories, providing steady energy. Unlike simple sugars, which match body osmolality at 6-8% solutions, complex carbohydrates match body fluid osmolality ate substantially more concentrated 15-18% solutions. Even at this seemingly high concentration, complex carbohydrates ( maltodextrins/glucose polymers) will empty the stomach at the same efficient rate as normal body fluids, providing up to three times more calories for energy production then simple sugar mixtures. This means that you can fulfill you caloric requirements without running the risk of overhydration or other stomach-related maladies.
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You can never be sure..... But it's not unlikely it has been bred to have more suger by itself to accomodate 'modern' taste.
But the main difference is that if you eat an apple you eat it with it's other contents, I've understood there's a mechanism that mitigates the effects on your body and is also the reason why fruit juice isn't as healthy for people with weight issues as eating whole fruit. If you buy any processed food, it's likely to contain added suger, whatever it is. Why put sugar in foods that traditionally didn't contain any?
But the main difference is that if you eat an apple you eat it with it's other contents, I've understood there's a mechanism that mitigates the effects on your body and is also the reason why fruit juice isn't as healthy for people with weight issues as eating whole fruit. If you buy any processed food, it's likely to contain added suger, whatever it is. Why put sugar in foods that traditionally didn't contain any?
07-31-16, 11:26 AM
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This paragraph is taken directly out of Hammer Nutrition:
We believe that fructose, sucrose, glucose, and other simple sugars (mono-and disaccharides) are poor carbohydrate sources for fueling your body during exercise. Also for optimal health you should restrict your intake of these simple sugars
We believe that fructose, sucrose, glucose, and other simple sugars (mono-and disaccharides) are poor carbohydrate sources for fueling your body during exercise. Also for optimal health you should restrict your intake of these simple sugars
Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Water, Energy Smart® (Grape Juice, Rice Dextrin), Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate (as a preservative), Salt, Amino Acids (L-Leucine, L-Alanine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine), Potassium Chloride.
Notice the 2nd most plentiful ingredient (disregarding water). I thought grape juice contains simple sugar, in particular, fructose. Silly me..
07-31-16, 05:12 PM
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Really? From Nutrition Facts on an unflavored Hammer Gel package:
Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Water, Energy Smart® (Grape Juice, Rice Dextrin), Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate (as a preservative), Salt, Amino Acids (L-Leucine, L-Alanine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine), Potassium Chloride.
Notice the 2nd most plentiful ingredient (disregarding water). I thought grape juice contains simple sugar, in particular, fructose. Silly me..
Ingredients: Maltodextrin, Water, Energy Smart® (Grape Juice, Rice Dextrin), Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate (as a preservative), Salt, Amino Acids (L-Leucine, L-Alanine, L-Valine, L-Isoleucine), Potassium Chloride.
Notice the 2nd most plentiful ingredient (disregarding water). I thought grape juice contains simple sugar, in particular, fructose. Silly me..
