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Old 06-04-21, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by big john
Some of the best road riders I have known are able to eat huge quantities of food and then climb hills or hammer the flats. BF member Biker395 is such a rider. We did a ride through the mountains to Wrightwood, the turn around point and lunch stop. It was around 90 miles with 9000+ feet and the steepest climb was after lunch.

He came out of the store with a huge burger and while eating he kept telling us they had a thing called a "Big ass burrito" in the store. After he finished his burger and whatever he had with it he went back in and got the Big ass burrito and promptly inhaled it too. Of course, he was the first up the big climb out of there.
It's very unlikely that he's eating too much - a ride like that is probably going to expend something on the order of 4,000 calories and, when you figure in base metabolic rate, you're looking at ~7000 calories to break even for the day. I find that, on my 80+ mile days, I can't force myself to eat enough to break even. This, though, is a far cry from slow-rollin' 50 miles with pastry breaks every 12 miles or so.
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Staying with my sister in Florham Park, NJ. She does not have coffee so I went to DD. I ordered a large and the lady told me they are giving out free donuts today. I chose to be good and said no thank you.

She looked at me in shock.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Staying with my sister in Florham Park, NJ. She does not have coffee so I went to DD. I ordered a large and the lady told me they are giving out free donuts today. I chose to be good and said no thank you.

She looked at me in shock.
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Hey Velo Vol my musician daughter wants to know if you mean to transpose the entire piece down a note?

She said your question is way too vague. But here is her advice:

yeah i’m just confused if it’s just one note or the whole piece

if they’re playing alone either should be fine

i’d do whichever they are more comfortable with, keeping in mind though that different notes sit differently on trumpet so that could come up if you lower the whole piece by a step

same if they’re talking about just one note, if it fits in the chord it shouldn’t be a problem

if they’re playing with other people then everyone else would also have to change their music which wouldn’t be ideal
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
It's very unlikely that he's eating too much - a ride like that is probably going to expend something on the order of 4,000 calories and, when you figure in base metabolic rate, you're looking at ~7000 calories to break even for the day. I find that, on my 80+ mile days, I can't force myself to eat enough to break even. This, though, is a far cry from slow-rollin' 50 miles with pastry breaks every 12 miles or so.
Oh I agree but pigging out on those short rides can be fun. I was in Solvang, a tourist town north of here, and 3 of us went into Svenhard's Bakery for coffee and a Danish. They bring a tray with a dozen of the things fresh from the oven and leave a pot of coffee. They were so good I had 2 and my other friend had 2 which left 8 for Mike and he finished all 8. We left there and Mike sought out every steep hill he could find and dropped us on each of them. Of course, he was riding over 20K miles per year then.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Staying with my sister in Florham Park, NJ. She does not have coffee so I went to DD. I ordered a large and the lady told me they are giving out free donuts today. I chose to be good and said no thank you.

She looked at me in shock.
I cannot remember the last time I had a donut from anywhere.

When I go to the Reading Terminal I see a good number of people with boxes of Beiler's. Some of them have the lids open and are eating them while they walk around.

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Originally Posted by Mojo31
I drove 60 miles on Memorial Day in a storm that dumped 2 to 4 inches in a matter of hours, all the while driving at 55 - 70 mph in the Jeep. If that's not normal speeds, I'm not sure what is.
55 on the interstate is normal?

A few days ago I was mocked for going 55-60. So it goes.
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Originally Posted by big john
The first organized ride I ever did (in 1988) was 50 miles. 50 was the only option but I don't remember how many rest stops there were. My friend who I met on the MUP signed us up and suggested we train for it by climbing some hills. We did and that was a good thing because there was a climb in the first part of the ride. I was shocked to see people walking the hill or sitting on the side of the road.
The first organized ride I ever did was something called the "Tour de Peninsula", where the LONG ride was about 30 miles. It wasn't intended for serious cyclists, but more for those folks who drag a bike out and ride on the pedway on Sunday, or around here drive their bike over to Canada Road on Sundays. There were a couple climbs that to me were SERIOUS hills, and yeah, a lot of folks were walking up those. A year or so later, I was using those climbs for hill intervals.

This was in the first year after I started riding as a grownup, so about 1995 or so. And I had not ridden that far yet. It seemed an enormous distance, partly because the longest ride I'd ever done as a teenager was 30 miles. I was exhausted by the end of the ride! It felt like a major accomplishment!
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Hey Velo Vol my musician daughter wants to know if you mean to transpose the entire piece down a note?

She said your question is way too vague. But here is her advice:

yeah i’m just confused if it’s just one note or the whole piece

if they’re playing alone either should be fine

i’d do whichever they are more comfortable with, keeping in mind though that different notes sit differently on trumpet so that could come up if you lower the whole piece by a step

same if they’re talking about just one note, if it fits in the chord it shouldn’t be a problem

if they’re playing with other people then everyone else would also have to change their music which wouldn’t be ideal
Playing with the piano, but the music is in a program and I could go down a couple steps with just a few clicks.

It's more than one note. Quite a few times at the top of my comfort range. Toward the end I start to get tired.

Basically boils down to what I said earlier: going big, or playing it safer.

Another Velo Vol dilemma.
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Originally Posted by big john
Oh I agree but pigging out on those short rides can be fun. I was in Solvang, a tourist town north of here, and 3 of us went into Svenhard's Bakery for coffee and a Danish. They bring a tray with a dozen of the things fresh from the oven and leave a pot of coffee. They were so good I had 2 and my other friend had 2 which left 8 for Mike and he finished all 8. We left there and Mike sought out every steep hill he could find and dropped us on each of them. Of course, he was riding over 20K miles per year then.
I had that exact same experience at Svenhard's! Except, I wasn't on a bike and I might have had three.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
55 on the interstate is normal?

A few days ago I was mocked for going 55-60. So it goes.
In the situation I was in I would call that normal since the times at 55 mph were due to traffic congestion. When free to roam, we were at 60-70.
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Personally, I think the black tape balances the visual. White tape would throw off the balance of the color scheme. If they did white saddle, post, stem and bar tape, then you might be on to something.
Yeah, the original definitely needed a white saddle, and a silver stem.

I concur that if the heritage livery one had white tape, white stem and saddle would also be in order - white hoods and headset spacers too.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
I cannot remember the last time I had a donut from anywhere.
Been a while for me too. I might be done with donuts. sad.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Speaking of which, I haven't posted a picture of my new cockpit, in part due to photo woes, but also due to my reluctance to trigger coveting and ruing.

You're welcome.
Either you don't want us to see the lousy job you did taping, or you don't want us to see that you took our advice and it worked.
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Originally Posted by big john
Oh I agree but pigging out on those short rides can be fun. I was in Solvang, a tourist town north of here, and 3 of us went into Svenhard's Bakery for coffee and a Danish. They bring a tray with a dozen of the things fresh from the oven and leave a pot of coffee. They were so good I had 2 and my other friend had 2 which left 8 for Mike and he finished all 8. We left there and Mike sought out every steep hill he could find and dropped us on each of them. Of course, he was riding over 20K miles per year then.
If I recall from my days doing the Solvang Metric and a road races in the area, ALL the hills out there are steep.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Been a while for me too. I might be done with donuts. sad.
Also cannot remember my last slice of pizza. I need to get to change that.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Been a while for me too. I might be done with donuts. sad.
Donuts are natures most perfect food, in the sense that it has everything nature tells you to eat as much of as you can possibly get, because our ancestors rarely got so much of any of those. That's my hypothesis anyhow, that humankind never evolved an off switch for cravings for starch, sugar, and fat.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Either you don't want us to see the lousy job you did taping, or you don't want us to see that you took our advice and it worked.
Or took your advice and still did a lousy job. The possibilities are endless.
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In the situation I was in I would call that normal since the times at 55 mph were due to traffic congestion. When free to roam, we were at 60-70.
Maybe you're an unsafe driver? The roads are filled with maniacs.

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I might be done with donuts. sad.
Not really, they're overrated.
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Either you don't want us to see the lousy job you did taping, or you don't want us to see that you took our advice and it worked.
I did wrap the tops backwards because I don't think it's possible to wrap that kind of tape the proper direction.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Playing with the piano, but the music is in a program and I could go down a couple steps with just a few clicks.

It's more than one note. Quite a few times at the top of my comfort range. Toward the end I start to get tired.

Basically boils down to what I said earlier: going big, or playing it safer.

Another Velo Vol dilemma.
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The first organized ride I ever did was something called the "Tour de Peninsula", where the LONG ride was about 30 miles. It wasn't intended for serious cyclists, but more for those folks who drag a bike out and ride on the pedway on Sunday, or around here drive their bike over to Canada Road on Sundays. There were a couple climbs that to me were SERIOUS hills, and yeah, a lot of folks were walking up those. A year or so later, I was using those climbs for hill intervals.

This was in the first year after I started riding as a grownup, so about 1995 or so. And I had not ridden that far yet. It seemed an enormous distance, partly because the longest ride I'd ever done as a teenager was 30 miles. I was exhausted by the end of the ride! It felt like a major accomplishment!
My second organized ride was a century called "Tour de Turkey" because it was around Thanksgiving. I had only done 75 miles once and I was sick during the ride and I was coughing the whole time. I was miserable and didn't think I could finish, it didn't seem humanly possible to me. The ride was flat, about as flat as anything I've done and I eventually finished. At least then I knew it was possible.
My second century was the Solvang Century in 1989. It was freezing at the start and I broke a spoke on Santa Rosa road and when I stopped to look at it I almost fell down because my feet were so numb. I was using clips and straps. I finished without further incident and went back 8 more times for the century.
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If I recall from my days doing the Solvang Metric and a road races in the area, ALL the hills out there are steep.
All the hills close to town seem to be steep. On the century route, the one people remember is "The Wall" on Foxen Canyon.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
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DougRNS is starting to get it.

There's hope for all of you.
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Time for lawn mowing activities.

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Originally Posted by big john
All the hills close to town seem to be steep. On the century route, the one people remember is "The Wall" on Foxen Canyon.
It's been a very long time, but I still remember "The Wall" pretty vividly, too.
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