van der Poel wins a tough one!
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van der Poel wins a tough one!
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It is a joy to watch individuals working hard on the bicycle and not sitting back in the peloton drafting off their teammates.
Winning based on pure talents and not team tactics.
Winning based on pure talents and not team tactics.
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Well, no, not for everybody, though you are entitled to your tastes.
Do you ride, Rafjaboy? In groups? If you do, then perhaps you've tasted the joys of teamwork and helping friends excel? To take just one example, when riding as a competitive group, there's something really satisfying about doing the perfect lead-out that helps a friend win a sprint. It takes effort, skill, and coordination.
If you don't ever ride in a competitive group, then maybe there's something out there for you to go and experience.
Otherwise, go ahead and groove on the cx racing. It is indeed thrilling.
Do you ride, Rafjaboy? In groups? If you do, then perhaps you've tasted the joys of teamwork and helping friends excel? To take just one example, when riding as a competitive group, there's something really satisfying about doing the perfect lead-out that helps a friend win a sprint. It takes effort, skill, and coordination.
If you don't ever ride in a competitive group, then maybe there's something out there for you to go and experience.
Otherwise, go ahead and groove on the cx racing. It is indeed thrilling.
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Well, no, not for everybody, though you are entitled to your tastes.
Do you ride, Rafjaboy? In groups? If you do, then perhaps you've tasted the joys of teamwork and helping friends excel? To take just one example, when riding as a competitive group, there's something really satisfying about doing the perfect lead-out that helps a friend win a sprint. It takes effort, skill, and coordination.
If you don't ever ride in a competitive group, then maybe there's something out there for you to go and experience.
Otherwise, go ahead and groove on the cx racing. It is indeed thrilling.
Do you ride, Rafjaboy? In groups? If you do, then perhaps you've tasted the joys of teamwork and helping friends excel? To take just one example, when riding as a competitive group, there's something really satisfying about doing the perfect lead-out that helps a friend win a sprint. It takes effort, skill, and coordination.
If you don't ever ride in a competitive group, then maybe there's something out there for you to go and experience.
Otherwise, go ahead and groove on the cx racing. It is indeed thrilling.
And yes I don’t like watching a rider sit back in the slipstream of other riders for 2050 miles and only give full effort on a few stages with steep climbs during the race. Not my thing.
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i enjoy drafting. Yes I do. I enjoy the challenge of keeping up with others on the group rides. Yes I do. I enjoy talking and meeting with others who love bicycles. Yes I do. I do not race.
And yes I don’t like watching a rider sit back in the slipstream of other riders for 2050 miles and only give full effort on a few stages with steep climbs during the race. Not my thing.
And yes I don’t like watching a rider sit back in the slipstream of other riders for 2050 miles and only give full effort on a few stages with steep climbs during the race. Not my thing.
"For me, bicycle is about individual accomplishments",
instead of
"bicycle is about individual accomplishments"
For many of us, the team sport aspect of GTs is important and a plus. If you're not wrong about your tastes, then we aren't about ours.
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Well great - good for you - but you wouldn't find so much adversity here if you wrote
"For me, bicycle is about individual accomplishments",
instead of
"bicycle is about individual accomplishments"
For many of us, the team sport aspect of GTs is important and a plus. If you're not wrong about your tastes, then we aren't about ours.
"For me, bicycle is about individual accomplishments",
instead of
"bicycle is about individual accomplishments"
For many of us, the team sport aspect of GTs is important and a plus. If you're not wrong about your tastes, then we aren't about ours.
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Yep
You are also entitled to dream, but your definition of best on the planet would be for a sport that doesn't and couldn't exist.
You are also entitled to dream, but your definition of best on the planet would be for a sport that doesn't and couldn't exist.
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i enjoy drafting. Yes I do. I enjoy the challenge of keeping up with others on the group rides. Yes I do. I enjoy talking and meeting with others who love bicycles. Yes I do. I do not race.
And yes I don’t like watching a rider sit back in the slipstream of other riders for 2050 miles and only give full effort on a few stages with steep climbs during the race. Not my thing.
And yes I don’t like watching a rider sit back in the slipstream of other riders for 2050 miles and only give full effort on a few stages with steep climbs during the race. Not my thing.
The last almost decade, pound for pound, Sagan has been the best cyclist in the world. But, he will never have a yellow jersey. Something about that just isn’t right.
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Sagan has SIX Green Jerseys, and those are what he goes there to win. The TdF is several contests at once, and not everybody there is hoping to win the Yellow Jersey. If one watches the TdF thinking that it's all about the Yellow Jersey, then that's not the Tour's problem. Maybe it's the problem of the broadcasters or maybe the sophistication of the viewers...
And btw, Sagan is well rewarded for being, as you say, the best cyclist in the world. His annual salary is $6M Euros, almost double that of Froome's.
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He is not a climber or a time trialist, why would one ever expect him to win the Yellow Jersey?
Sagan has SIX Green Jerseys, and those are what he goes there to win. The TdF is several contests at once, and not everybody there is hoping to win the Yellow Jersey. If one watches the TdF thinking that it's all about the Yellow Jersey, then that's not the Tour's problem. Maybe it's the problem of the broadcasters or maybe the sophistication of the viewers...
And btw, Sagan is well rewarded for being, as you say, the best cyclist in the world. His annual salary is $6M Euros, almost double that of Froome's.
Sagan has SIX Green Jerseys, and those are what he goes there to win. The TdF is several contests at once, and not everybody there is hoping to win the Yellow Jersey. If one watches the TdF thinking that it's all about the Yellow Jersey, then that's not the Tour's problem. Maybe it's the problem of the broadcasters or maybe the sophistication of the viewers...
And btw, Sagan is well rewarded for being, as you say, the best cyclist in the world. His annual salary is $6M Euros, almost double that of Froome's.
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It would make the race even less to Rajflyboy's liking.
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Also, have you ever been to France? It's a mountainous country. (As is Spain and also, to a lesser extent, Italy) The concept of a "Tour de France" with a route that did not have significant mountains would negate the original intent of the race. The Tour is supposed to sample all around France. Planning 19 stages that didn't have mountains (ie., skipping the Alpes, the Pyrenees, AND the Massif Central) would pretty much negate the original intent.
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Why not make it a true endurance race with a route and a start time and the rest is up to the riders/teams.
Ride as long as you want. Daytime, night time, etc. Sleep when you want. Eat when you want.
First one one to finish line wins.
Ride as long as you want. Daytime, night time, etc. Sleep when you want. Eat when you want.
First one one to finish line wins.
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There are things like that. They're just not called "Tour de France."
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https://www.raceacrossamerica.org/
It's one thing to say that you like one kind of race versus another. It's another thing to think that anybody should listen when you ask that a beloved race change its format because it isn't the one you like
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The stages were pretty interesting way back more than 100 years ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour..._France_(1903)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour..._France_(1903)
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