Cyclist shot on Key Biscayne
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Since this is the Bicycle Advocacy and Safety forum, I'm going to come right out with these highly controversial lessons from the incident:
1) If you're a cyclist, try not to get shot.
2) If you're riding support, don't get into an argument and shoot a cyclist.
This thread is going nowhere good.
1) If you're a cyclist, try not to get shot.
2) If you're riding support, don't get into an argument and shoot a cyclist.
This thread is going nowhere good.
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A cyclist was shot this morning by a guy on a motorcycle. In the video you can see the motorcyclist is riding past a big group, talking a little trash but not really being abusive. I think he was just thinking he was cute since he was live streaming to his facebook page. A cyclist comes next to him and they get into an argument and he just shoots the cyclist who is in critical condition. Unbelievable. He is probably going to claim the "stand your ground" rule against a skinny guy wearing lycra. Its open season on humans in Florida since they passed the idiotic stand your ground rule.
This is the infamous strip on the Rickenbacker causeway where several cyclists have been run down and killed in the last few years, usually by drunk/high kids racing back to mommy and daddy's multi-million dollar condos early in the morning, after partying on Miami beach partying all night.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...233983587.html
This is the infamous strip on the Rickenbacker causeway where several cyclists have been run down and killed in the last few years, usually by drunk/high kids racing back to mommy and daddy's multi-million dollar condos early in the morning, after partying on Miami beach partying all night.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...233983587.html
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It's a shame that the dispute, whatever it was, elevated so quickly to deadly force. Nevertheless, it seems to be only peripherally related to cycling.
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People with short tempers shouldn't carry guns.
A firearm isn't a tool to resolve a disagreement, it's a tool to defend your life with. Your pride is not worth more than someone else's life, so if you carry a gun, you owe it to society to turn the other cheek and walk away from a confrontation before it turns physical.
A firearm isn't a tool to resolve a disagreement, it's a tool to defend your life with. Your pride is not worth more than someone else's life, so if you carry a gun, you owe it to society to turn the other cheek and walk away from a confrontation before it turns physical.
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The motorcyclist is arrested and charged with 2nd degree murder and agg. assault.
Finally, some sanity from the police down here that many times wouldn't even charge in this situation because of the SYG law.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...234076097.html
Finally, some sanity from the police down here that many times wouldn't even charge in this situation because of the SYG law.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...234076097.html
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People with short tempers shouldn't carry guns.
A firearm isn't a tool to resolve a disagreement, it's a tool to defend your life with. Your pride is not worth more than someone else's life, so if you carry a gun, you owe it to society to turn the other cheek and walk away from a confrontation before it turns physical.
A firearm isn't a tool to resolve a disagreement, it's a tool to defend your life with. Your pride is not worth more than someone else's life, so if you carry a gun, you owe it to society to turn the other cheek and walk away from a confrontation before it turns physical.
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I'm as pro-gun as you can get (I'd love to see machine guns deregulated), and I'll be the first one to say that rights cannot exist without responsibility. So much personal responsibility has evaporated from average adult life in the USA, that many folks simply are not mentally or emotionally equipped to handle the responsible carrying and use of a firearm.
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People with short tempers shouldn't carry guns.
A firearm isn't a tool to resolve a disagreement, it's a tool to defend your life with. Your pride is not worth more than someone else's life, so if you carry a gun, you owe it to society to turn the other cheek and walk away from a confrontation before it turns physical.
A firearm isn't a tool to resolve a disagreement, it's a tool to defend your life with. Your pride is not worth more than someone else's life, so if you carry a gun, you owe it to society to turn the other cheek and walk away from a confrontation before it turns physical.
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First, you can leave off Africa since unlike Asia and especially Europe, Africans didn't readily immigrate to North American to escape political and economic persecution. Rather, those limited groups were the result of forcible removed to that location. Second, have you ever talked to people in South Florida?
In my estimation the major tri-country area I'd estimate that 1 in 4 were even born in the state. In fact, the Miami-Fort Laurderdale-Pompano Beach metro area has more immigrants than any other city in the U.S. according to the Daily Beast. Now try to stay on topic would you.
In my estimation the major tri-country area I'd estimate that 1 in 4 were even born in the state. In fact, the Miami-Fort Laurderdale-Pompano Beach metro area has more immigrants than any other city in the U.S. according to the Daily Beast. Now try to stay on topic would you.
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First, you can leave off Africa since unlike Asia and especially Europe, Africans didn't readily immigrate to North American to escape political and economic persecution. Rather, those limited groups were the result of forcible removed to that location. Second, have you ever talked to people in South Florida?
In my estimation the major tri-country area I'd estimate that 1 in 4 were even born in the state. In fact, the Miami-Fort Laurderdale-Pompano Beach metro area has more immigrants than any other city in the U.S. according to the Daily Beast. Now try to stay on topic would you.
In my estimation the major tri-country area I'd estimate that 1 in 4 were even born in the state. In fact, the Miami-Fort Laurderdale-Pompano Beach metro area has more immigrants than any other city in the U.S. according to the Daily Beast. Now try to stay on topic would you.
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Isn't this the same road that had another high profile bicyclist death a few years ago? One where the spoiled rich kid ran over a bicyclist and went home to his parents condo hoping to avoid any responsibility? He finally did get convicted, and I think the attention helped justice be served there.
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I'm sure many of us recall the days when people often didn't bother locking their doors at night. Now a great many people won't answer the front door without a pistol in their hands. Applications for carry permits are off the charts !
People have burglar alarms and cameras covering not only their houses, but their cars, yards, lawn mower sheds, etc. I used to hitch hike around the county without a problem, who wants to do that these days ? (or has any expectation of getting picked up by anything by a pervert or serial killer). I routinely hear people click their stupid car alarm, when just walking into a convenience store for a half a minute, and can see the car the whole time !! We are surrounded by high tech police and security, much of it we never see. Going through airport security is like a scene in a science fiction movie. Schools all over the country have metal detectors, armed guards, and monitors posted in the bathrooms to keep the kids from screwing in the bathroom stalls, LOL!!
There have always been parts of every city that are considered wise to avoid, especially after dark, but these days, you're taking your life in your hands !
"Home invasion" was a term that didn't exist a few decades ago, now everybody knows and fears them. Drug gangs virtually rule large areas of our major cities, and have memberships in the tens of thousands.
Do I need to go on? Because I can go on till midnight. I'm not saying the good ol' days were idyllic as Mayberry or Ozzie & harriet, but the fact is there has been a sea change in the moral fabric of this country, and citing some per capita statistic doesn't alter what nearly everyone routinely acknowledges.
(BTW, i wasn't calling you out when i quoted your post, I was just expanding on it).
People have burglar alarms and cameras covering not only their houses, but their cars, yards, lawn mower sheds, etc. I used to hitch hike around the county without a problem, who wants to do that these days ? (or has any expectation of getting picked up by anything by a pervert or serial killer). I routinely hear people click their stupid car alarm, when just walking into a convenience store for a half a minute, and can see the car the whole time !! We are surrounded by high tech police and security, much of it we never see. Going through airport security is like a scene in a science fiction movie. Schools all over the country have metal detectors, armed guards, and monitors posted in the bathrooms to keep the kids from screwing in the bathroom stalls, LOL!!
There have always been parts of every city that are considered wise to avoid, especially after dark, but these days, you're taking your life in your hands !
"Home invasion" was a term that didn't exist a few decades ago, now everybody knows and fears them. Drug gangs virtually rule large areas of our major cities, and have memberships in the tens of thousands.
Do I need to go on? Because I can go on till midnight. I'm not saying the good ol' days were idyllic as Mayberry or Ozzie & harriet, but the fact is there has been a sea change in the moral fabric of this country, and citing some per capita statistic doesn't alter what nearly everyone routinely acknowledges.
(BTW, i wasn't calling you out when i quoted your post, I was just expanding on it).
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Southerners? Calling us white trash? What planet are you on. Listen to the video. These guys are Cubans. Cubans are not southerners. I'm Cuban. When they got into it, on the video, they are calling each other maricon, maricon. Dont know what that means? Look it up. The guys and girls that do these rides are mostly Hispanic, and very accomplished cat 1,2,3 racers and ex racers. Many are accomplished doctors , lawyers, mavens of industry. I know because I used do this wednesday ride for many years.
Miami is not "Southern". You really don't understand. Its the "stand your ground" law and the stupid entitlement culture of Miami that is the cause.
Miami is not "Southern". You really don't understand. Its the "stand your ground" law and the stupid entitlement culture of Miami that is the cause.
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People with short tempers shouldn't carry guns.
A firearm isn't a tool to resolve a disagreement, it's a tool to defend your life with. Your pride is not worth more than someone else's life, so if you carry a gun, you owe it to society to turn the other cheek and walk away from a confrontation before it turns physical.
A firearm isn't a tool to resolve a disagreement, it's a tool to defend your life with. Your pride is not worth more than someone else's life, so if you carry a gun, you owe it to society to turn the other cheek and walk away from a confrontation before it turns physical.
Maybe yes, maybe not.
I prefer a tin cup, however.
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Just a reminder that political talk is only allowed in the P+R forum.
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I don't say in my post that only Cubans say maricon. I'm telling the poster that this is not the deep south, as in Alabama, Georgia etc., that these guys are cubans because they are speaking spanish and one spanish word they use, which is easily recognizable is maricon. Why the hate? Why the doubt that I'm Cuban? Want to see my passport that says country of birth is Cuba?
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