Shimano 600 Hubs vs Late 80s Sansin Hubs
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Shimano 600 Hubs vs Late 80s Sansin Hubs
Hey y'all
Just got a deal on two 80s aluminum treks. A 1000 and an 1100. The 1000 came with Shimano 600 hubs laced to Matrix Titan rims. The 1100 came with Sansin hubs laced to Matrix Titan II rims.
Obviously I'm guessing the 1100 is a little newer, with the Titan II. The bike is a little heavier and the tube width is a bit larger.
Wondering if this is just a tomāto vs tomato situation. But I'm wondering if one of these wheel sets is significantly superior to the other.
I was initially drawn to the 600 set, but then I read good things about old Sansin hubs. So now I'm kind of on the fence.
Any input would appreciated. Thanks!
Just got a deal on two 80s aluminum treks. A 1000 and an 1100. The 1000 came with Shimano 600 hubs laced to Matrix Titan rims. The 1100 came with Sansin hubs laced to Matrix Titan II rims.
Obviously I'm guessing the 1100 is a little newer, with the Titan II. The bike is a little heavier and the tube width is a bit larger.
Wondering if this is just a tomāto vs tomato situation. But I'm wondering if one of these wheel sets is significantly superior to the other.
I was initially drawn to the 600 set, but then I read good things about old Sansin hubs. So now I'm kind of on the fence.
Any input would appreciated. Thanks!
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i have some wheels that are probably just like the sansin/matrix set you have. and, i have a friend with 600 hubs....though they're freehub. at any rate, i've not noticed any real difference in functionality. my sansin's spin quite nicely and remain well sealed after a lot of years
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Just bought a set of NOS sansin hubs, freewheel, to build a better set of wheels for my daughter's favorite bike. Although they're a little heavier then expected which shouldn't be surprising, the ones I bought are bolt-on, they are very smooth and with the cartridge bearings they should be easy to refresh for like new performance.
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Just bought a set of NOS sansin hubs, freewheel, to build a better set of wheels for my daughter's favorite bike. Although they're a little heavier then expected which shouldn't be surprising, the ones I bought are bolt-on, they are very smooth and with the cartridge bearings they should be easy to refresh for like new performance.
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I have both. The Shimano 600 are better.
So far the only C&V hubs I've ridden that rival the Shimano 600 for both quality and value are the Mavic hubs on a wheelset I recently got from another BF member.
My Sansin hubs (not sure of the model) are comparable to the Suntour GPX hubs from my Ironman. They're good but not great. I wouldn't go out of my way to use either set of hubs to build new wheels around. I'll save 'em for indoor trainer sessions.
The Shimano 600 hubs that came with another model Ironman (Master or Carbon, not sure which) and Wolber Super Champion Alpine rims are a notch above in buttery smoothness and build quality. They're comparable to the more recent Ultegra hubs on a borrowed wheelset. The Mavic hubs appear to be equal to those 600 and Ultegra hubs, although the Mavic design is a bit quirky and I'm not sure about tools to disassemble and service it.
So far the only C&V hubs I've ridden that rival the Shimano 600 for both quality and value are the Mavic hubs on a wheelset I recently got from another BF member.
My Sansin hubs (not sure of the model) are comparable to the Suntour GPX hubs from my Ironman. They're good but not great. I wouldn't go out of my way to use either set of hubs to build new wheels around. I'll save 'em for indoor trainer sessions.
The Shimano 600 hubs that came with another model Ironman (Master or Carbon, not sure which) and Wolber Super Champion Alpine rims are a notch above in buttery smoothness and build quality. They're comparable to the more recent Ultegra hubs on a borrowed wheelset. The Mavic hubs appear to be equal to those 600 and Ultegra hubs, although the Mavic design is a bit quirky and I'm not sure about tools to disassemble and service it.
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I had a set of 600 hub laced to some Mavic box rims for many years. I just sold them about 4 months ago as I did not need them any longer as the rims brake surface was toast. They were built in the early 90's and came on a set of wheel I had purchased second hand, but they were still super smooth. They were great hubs, and I owned them for roughly 20 years.
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I had a set of 600 hub laced to some Mavic box rims for many years. I just sold them about 4 months ago as I did not need them any longer as the rims brake surface was toast. They were built in the early 90's and came on a set of wheel I had purchased second hand, but they were still super smooth. They were great hubs, and I owned them for roughly 20 years.
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Actually my 600 hubs were on Mavic MA-40's that were from ~1996\97 give or take a year. They were pretty bomb proof 32 spoke rims. I was a much heavier rider at the time and they rolled me along without any issues.
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When you get your tires, see which rims they fit best. I had some Matrix rims that were a bear to put tires on but I don't know if they were Matrix II.
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Hey y'all
Just got a deal on two 80s aluminum treks. A 1000 and an 1100. The 1000 came with Shimano 600 hubs laced to Matrix Titan rims. The 1100 came with Sansin hubs laced to Matrix Titan II rims.
Obviously I'm guessing the 1100 is a little newer, with the Titan II. The bike is a little heavier and the tube width is a bit larger.
Wondering if this is just a tomāto vs tomato situation. But I'm wondering if one of these wheel sets is significantly superior to the other.
I was initially drawn to the 600 set, but then I read good things about old Sansin hubs. So now I'm kind of on the fence.
Any input would appreciated. Thanks!
Just got a deal on two 80s aluminum treks. A 1000 and an 1100. The 1000 came with Shimano 600 hubs laced to Matrix Titan rims. The 1100 came with Sansin hubs laced to Matrix Titan II rims.
Obviously I'm guessing the 1100 is a little newer, with the Titan II. The bike is a little heavier and the tube width is a bit larger.
Wondering if this is just a tomāto vs tomato situation. But I'm wondering if one of these wheel sets is significantly superior to the other.
I was initially drawn to the 600 set, but then I read good things about old Sansin hubs. So now I'm kind of on the fence.
Any input would appreciated. Thanks!
Freehub would swing it for me.
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On a nice descent, you may notice that the Shimano hubs are a bit better, given that both are well-packed and adjusted.
They really were well-made, smooth, and just appeared to have a bit higher quality control. I like my Suzues and Shimanos.
I had some Mavics, but never really rode them. I'd put the Sansins behind them, but they are easily equal to my riding abilities.
I think any difference, in reality, for me, is more imagined than perceived.
They really were well-made, smooth, and just appeared to have a bit higher quality control. I like my Suzues and Shimanos.
I had some Mavics, but never really rode them. I'd put the Sansins behind them, but they are easily equal to my riding abilities.
I think any difference, in reality, for me, is more imagined than perceived.