"HOLE!" Don't be that guy
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Best option:
puller pays the F attention and takes good lines while each rider behind follows good line the leader takes.
2nd best:
hand on same side as obstacle while you miss it. If you use right hand folks know to go left around something. Audible and visual signal if someone disobeyed the best option.
Honestly, lots of more Fred-like groups can’t hold a wheel for crap and wander the road like a chicken in a yard. I have fewest issues in team rotation workouts. Everyone at a good skill and taking good lines.
puller pays the F attention and takes good lines while each rider behind follows good line the leader takes.
2nd best:
hand on same side as obstacle while you miss it. If you use right hand folks know to go left around something. Audible and visual signal if someone disobeyed the best option.
Honestly, lots of more Fred-like groups can’t hold a wheel for crap and wander the road like a chicken in a yard. I have fewest issues in team rotation workouts. Everyone at a good skill and taking good lines.
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The bunnyhop itself isn't disruptive, it's that it gives the rider behind zero warning - just POOF: You're in a hole. But if I find that I've had zero warning, yeah - I'm going to 'hop it.
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If nobody does things like you think they should be done, ride alone or stay at the front. The latter of course will leave open to some who doesn't brake the way you think they should.
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Shouldn't this thread be merged with the "We're going to yell at you" thread? It's basically a subsidiary of the former.
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While we're *****ing,
also don't be that guy who leads the line through the debris and divots at the pavement edge, even when the road has no traffic.
also don't be that guy who leads the line through the debris and divots at the pavement edge, even when the road has no traffic.
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How so ? It's the appropriate thing to do sometimes.
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During group rides the only voice commands used were: Car Back, Tracks, and in case of an emergency stop, Stopping. All other signals were by hand, and each rider would signal the person behind, so there were no missed signals. We also had a signals for tracks and stopping. There was no discussion on what to use or why, everyone just used them as common courtesy.
If a person insists of calling out Hole, they need to call out whether its right of left or get schooled on proper etiquette
If a person insists of calling out Hole, they need to call out whether its right of left or get schooled on proper etiquette
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Calling out holes in a group is a good thing. But doing so without pointing is close to useless. A hand signal - even silent (but combo is ideal) - works so much better. The point, the gravel sign, move left, etc. just so much more helpful. When I hear "HOLE!" without any L/R indication, I hear "Get ready to bunnyhop" (which I avoid at all costs, that royally screws the riders behind me).
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we normally ride in a double pace line, so simply calling “hole left” or “hole right” is of limited use. What’s “left” to the right-hand line is “right” to the left hand line. I’ve started calling “left”, “right” or “center” to indicate the location of the hazard wrt the group as a whole.
Side note: I pointed and called "Hole!" (it was a crater) on a ride a couple years ago. We were in a village kinda setting, not going fast and happened to be passing a woman on the sidewalk. She turned and looked at us with an "Oh no you ditint jus call me that!" look on her face. I did a U-turn, rode back and told her I said "hole". I got the "a-ight a-ight" but no smile.
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The roads here in Illinois are terrible and I ride with lots of groups so I have several opinions here:
1. You don't need to call out every hole, but you should call out the particularly large ones right in the way and point. If you're leading you should also lead the group around the hole.
2. It's often a bad idea to ride directly behind the rider in front of you to the extent that you are 100% blind to oncoming hazards. I generally (there are exceptions) ride a couple of inches to the left of their wheel. Exceptions: we're really drilling it or I'm very familiar with the road. In those cases I'll fully tuck in.
3. Calling out any hazard should be the rare exception, not the rule. I use hand signals the vast, vast majority of the time. Having someone in the group constantly yelling about minor hazards gets really annoying and detracts from calling out the real hazards.
4. I almost never call out "car back" unless the road is particularly narrow, a rider is coming off the front of a long group and can't see all the way back or we're coming up to a particularly sketchy turn and I'm on the back of the group. The people I ride with are alert and experienced, they know when a car is coming.
1. You don't need to call out every hole, but you should call out the particularly large ones right in the way and point. If you're leading you should also lead the group around the hole.
2. It's often a bad idea to ride directly behind the rider in front of you to the extent that you are 100% blind to oncoming hazards. I generally (there are exceptions) ride a couple of inches to the left of their wheel. Exceptions: we're really drilling it or I'm very familiar with the road. In those cases I'll fully tuck in.
3. Calling out any hazard should be the rare exception, not the rule. I use hand signals the vast, vast majority of the time. Having someone in the group constantly yelling about minor hazards gets really annoying and detracts from calling out the real hazards.
4. I almost never call out "car back" unless the road is particularly narrow, a rider is coming off the front of a long group and can't see all the way back or we're coming up to a particularly sketchy turn and I'm on the back of the group. The people I ride with are alert and experienced, they know when a car is coming.
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we normally ride in a double pace line, so simply calling “hole left” or “hole right” is of limited use. What’s “left” to the right-hand line is “right” to the left hand line. I’ve started calling “left”, “right” or “center” to indicate the location of the hazard wrt the group as a whole.
"hole left" is of limited use but "left" isn't?
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You wrote "saying hole left is of limited use" and then recommended saying "hole left".
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The only reason I call "car back" or "car passing" is because on most group rides there's always that one guy drifting into the adjacent lane, or on the line between lanes, and not moving over for passing vehicles. That just annoys drivers who don't need another reason to dislike cyclists.
But it rarely does any good. That same guy will persist in drifting into the other lane or riding on the line between lanes. Or blocking the other lane at stops.
But it rarely does any good. That same guy will persist in drifting into the other lane or riding on the line between lanes. Or blocking the other lane at stops.
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People have opinions about whether it's OK to yell "glass", even though they can't/don't specify where the glass is?
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BAck in my yute that was the only thing that was called out on a group ride. And no hand signals were ever used. You followed the wheel ahead of you and that was it. When "glass" was shouted out the group slowed and fanned out, gloves to tires, then regrouped. Thats when everyone was riding sew-ups.