When to ring your bell (Warning: vent alert)
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When to ring your bell (Warning: vent alert)
Might be more a vent, but as I’m fairly new to cycling I’d appreciate hearing member’s thoughts on bell ringing to let people know you’re passing. I ring it on a case-by-case basis (if there’s a large speed differential, if I know we’re approaching a section where people often cross lanes, kids, etc.) but had a fairly unpleasant experience today.
Was on a shared bike/pedestrian path and there was a couple ahead. More leisure cyclists, both appeared to be in their fifties, and cycling single file with about 5m between them. Path doing a few twists when I came up on her rear and I free wheeled and coasted behind for about ten seconds. She heard my pawls/freehub (pretty loud on my bike) and looked back so knew I was there and that I would be passing. As we came around the last corner the path was clear for 100m ahead so I moved far right and passed her. As I did she called to her partner “bike passing” and I passed him shortly afterwards. He shouted after me, “know that bell on your bike? ******g use it”.
Totally unnecessary (in my opinion) and I returned to remonstrate, explaining that his partner knew I was there, had called to him, we were only doing about 10kmh and I passed a good 2m on his right. I actually felt I’d been more than polite, giving her space and waiting until I could be absolutely certain it was safe to pass.
I’m passed frequently by other cyclists on bike paths, at 30kmh plus, and rarely, if ever, does anybody ring their bell. I do if I’ve noticed a cyclist not keeping religiously left, but usually don’t if there’s good space to pass.
And conversely I passed a female cyclist on a bike path commute and knew we were coming to a section cyclists often cross both lanes to drop onto the road so rang my bell, once, as I was passing only for her to shout something after me (I don’t know what, to be honest, but she didn’t sound happy). I often find it an irritation when every bike rings their bell at me when, as a pedestrian, I always keep left.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I imagine most people will ring on a case by case basis, and will be grown up enough to know that we’re not all going to agree on when that is so won’t hurl abuse after fellow cyclists, but just wondered if there is a consensus/etiquette. If the community thinks I should have rang my bell, even in that specific example, then I’ll have to ring literally when I pass everybody.
p.s. I’m in Australia, so we cycle/drive on the left.
Was on a shared bike/pedestrian path and there was a couple ahead. More leisure cyclists, both appeared to be in their fifties, and cycling single file with about 5m between them. Path doing a few twists when I came up on her rear and I free wheeled and coasted behind for about ten seconds. She heard my pawls/freehub (pretty loud on my bike) and looked back so knew I was there and that I would be passing. As we came around the last corner the path was clear for 100m ahead so I moved far right and passed her. As I did she called to her partner “bike passing” and I passed him shortly afterwards. He shouted after me, “know that bell on your bike? ******g use it”.
Totally unnecessary (in my opinion) and I returned to remonstrate, explaining that his partner knew I was there, had called to him, we were only doing about 10kmh and I passed a good 2m on his right. I actually felt I’d been more than polite, giving her space and waiting until I could be absolutely certain it was safe to pass.
I’m passed frequently by other cyclists on bike paths, at 30kmh plus, and rarely, if ever, does anybody ring their bell. I do if I’ve noticed a cyclist not keeping religiously left, but usually don’t if there’s good space to pass.
And conversely I passed a female cyclist on a bike path commute and knew we were coming to a section cyclists often cross both lanes to drop onto the road so rang my bell, once, as I was passing only for her to shout something after me (I don’t know what, to be honest, but she didn’t sound happy). I often find it an irritation when every bike rings their bell at me when, as a pedestrian, I always keep left.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I imagine most people will ring on a case by case basis, and will be grown up enough to know that we’re not all going to agree on when that is so won’t hurl abuse after fellow cyclists, but just wondered if there is a consensus/etiquette. If the community thinks I should have rang my bell, even in that specific example, then I’ll have to ring literally when I pass everybody.
p.s. I’m in Australia, so we cycle/drive on the left.
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I have a little bell on my commuting bike. It emits a single, polite, "ding!" Everyone loves it. People wave in gratitude and laugh when I shout, "Ice cream!"
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Purpose of bells and shouts and whatnot: to warn of a situation brewing.
The person ahead of you looked back and knew you were there. Though perhaps didn't know your intentions. Still, it doesn't seem an egregious enough thing for the other person's partner to then insultingly excoriate you for passing.
Probably worth ringing the bell a couple times to ensure they're aware of the imminent attempt to pass. It's what it's there for. That, and to avoid offering cranky types to get their engines cranked over any (even merely a perceived) slight or "misstep."
Heck, if I got incendiary toward every vehicle that failed to use its signal to pass into another lane on the highway when coming up behind me for a pass, I'd have a stroke by noon. On a MUP with bikes and pedestrians around, though, probably worth the extra bit of precaution, 'cause you never know who's going to eject out of their line of travel without a care in the world.
The person ahead of you looked back and knew you were there. Though perhaps didn't know your intentions. Still, it doesn't seem an egregious enough thing for the other person's partner to then insultingly excoriate you for passing.
Probably worth ringing the bell a couple times to ensure they're aware of the imminent attempt to pass. It's what it's there for. That, and to avoid offering cranky types to get their engines cranked over any (even merely a perceived) slight or "misstep."
Heck, if I got incendiary toward every vehicle that failed to use its signal to pass into another lane on the highway when coming up behind me for a pass, I'd have a stroke by noon. On a MUP with bikes and pedestrians around, though, probably worth the extra bit of precaution, 'cause you never know who's going to eject out of their line of travel without a care in the world.
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Ring the bell or give an audible alert far enough behind so you'll see how they react and have time to adjust if necessary. Some noobs walking on the trail jump out of their skin and turn and step into the middle of the trail for who knows why. So I try to make sure that I startle them well before I get there.
Even at 15 mph you are going 22 feet per second, at 20 mph 29 fps. (24 kph your are going 6.7 meters per second, at 32 kph 8.9 meters per second.) So I figure I need at least a 1½ seconds just to see their reaction. How much more time do you need for you to take action if needed?
Even at 15 mph you are going 22 feet per second, at 20 mph 29 fps. (24 kph your are going 6.7 meters per second, at 32 kph 8.9 meters per second.) So I figure I need at least a 1½ seconds just to see their reaction. How much more time do you need for you to take action if needed?
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I ring about 40 feet back and say "icecream man". That usually gets acknowledged.
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Do you honk every time you overtake another car in your car? Of course not, that'd be preposterous. You overtake if you can do it safely, and brake if you can't.
I see zero reasons for cyclists to go ding every time they overtake another bicycle, car or whatnot. If the situation is dicey, I brake.
I carried a bell for quite a while until I realized my hands went to the brakes whenever in any doubt and the bell went unused.
I see zero reasons for cyclists to go ding every time they overtake another bicycle, car or whatnot. If the situation is dicey, I brake.
I carried a bell for quite a while until I realized my hands went to the brakes whenever in any doubt and the bell went unused.
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Might be more a vent, but as I’m fairly new to cycling I’d appreciate hearing member’s thoughts on bell ringing to let people know you’re passing. I ring it on a case-by-case basis (if there’s a large speed differential, if I know we’re approaching a section where people often cross lanes, kids, etc.) but had a fairly unpleasant experience today.
Was on a shared bike/pedestrian path and there was a couple ahead. More leisure cyclists, both appeared to be in their fifties, and cycling single file with about 5m between them. Path doing a few twists when I came up on her rear and I free wheeled and coasted behind for about ten seconds. She heard my pawls/freehub (pretty loud on my bike) and looked back so knew I was there and that I would be passing. As we came around the last corner the path was clear for 100m ahead so I moved far right and passed her. As I did she called to her partner “bike passing” and I passed him shortly afterwards. He shouted after me, “know that bell on your bike? ******g use it”.
Totally unnecessary (in my opinion) and I returned to remonstrate, explaining that his partner knew I was there, had called to him, we were only doing about 10kmh and I passed a good 2m on his right. I actually felt I’d been more than polite, giving her space and waiting until I could be absolutely certain it was safe to pass.
I’m passed frequently by other cyclists on bike paths, at 30kmh plus, and rarely, if ever, does anybody ring their bell. I do if I’ve noticed a cyclist not keeping religiously left, but usually don’t if there’s good space to pass.
And conversely I passed a female cyclist on a bike path commute and knew we were coming to a section cyclists often cross both lanes to drop onto the road so rang my bell, once, as I was passing only for her to shout something after me (I don’t know what, to be honest, but she didn’t sound happy). I often find it an irritation when every bike rings their bell at me when, as a pedestrian, I always keep left.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I imagine most people will ring on a case by case basis, and will be grown up enough to know that we’re not all going to agree on when that is so won’t hurl abuse after fellow cyclists, but just wondered if there is a consensus/etiquette. If the community thinks I should have rang my bell, even in that specific example, then I’ll have to ring literally when I pass everybody.
p.s. I’m in Australia, so we cycle/drive on the left.
Was on a shared bike/pedestrian path and there was a couple ahead. More leisure cyclists, both appeared to be in their fifties, and cycling single file with about 5m between them. Path doing a few twists when I came up on her rear and I free wheeled and coasted behind for about ten seconds. She heard my pawls/freehub (pretty loud on my bike) and looked back so knew I was there and that I would be passing. As we came around the last corner the path was clear for 100m ahead so I moved far right and passed her. As I did she called to her partner “bike passing” and I passed him shortly afterwards. He shouted after me, “know that bell on your bike? ******g use it”.
Totally unnecessary (in my opinion) and I returned to remonstrate, explaining that his partner knew I was there, had called to him, we were only doing about 10kmh and I passed a good 2m on his right. I actually felt I’d been more than polite, giving her space and waiting until I could be absolutely certain it was safe to pass.
I’m passed frequently by other cyclists on bike paths, at 30kmh plus, and rarely, if ever, does anybody ring their bell. I do if I’ve noticed a cyclist not keeping religiously left, but usually don’t if there’s good space to pass.
And conversely I passed a female cyclist on a bike path commute and knew we were coming to a section cyclists often cross both lanes to drop onto the road so rang my bell, once, as I was passing only for her to shout something after me (I don’t know what, to be honest, but she didn’t sound happy). I often find it an irritation when every bike rings their bell at me when, as a pedestrian, I always keep left.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I imagine most people will ring on a case by case basis, and will be grown up enough to know that we’re not all going to agree on when that is so won’t hurl abuse after fellow cyclists, but just wondered if there is a consensus/etiquette. If the community thinks I should have rang my bell, even in that specific example, then I’ll have to ring literally when I pass everybody.
p.s. I’m in Australia, so we cycle/drive on the left.
I have a bell on most of my bikes, including my brand new carbon fiber road bike (told the folks on my bike club that it came with "all the bells and whistles" LOL). I like the bell for most multi-use paths around here because the trails are busy with both people biking and walking. When my hands are busy, or if it's clear they are not hearing the bell, I'll use a verbal alert too.
I've had people engrossed in conversations or whatever is in their earbuds, and yell at me for not announcing a pass ... after bells and verbal alerts.
I've had people yell at me for being angry while giving a verbal alert,
I've had people jump (I mean JUMP) when I give an alert.
This is one of my favorite stories from earlier this summer (I posted this on a FB group):
So ... I found out today that a bell is no longer good enough to announce a pass and that you must also announce "on your left" too. I'm a major advocate for trail etiquette so I'm surprised I missed the announcement of this change.
Either that or some people will always be annoyed by faster riders passing ... IDK?
Details: I wasn't passing quickly, there were only two of us on the N Cedar Trail in SLP. I have a Spurcycle bell (if you don't know, these are strong and clear bell). It wasn't totally clear what the person was calling out from behind, the wind noise made it difficult to hear ... but I heard twice "say on your left". If you're the person that was annoyed with an old guy slowing passing on a recovery ride ... please share your side of the story, I'm honestly interested to hear.
Either that or some people will always be annoyed by faster riders passing ... IDK?
Details: I wasn't passing quickly, there were only two of us on the N Cedar Trail in SLP. I have a Spurcycle bell (if you don't know, these are strong and clear bell). It wasn't totally clear what the person was calling out from behind, the wind noise made it difficult to hear ... but I heard twice "say on your left". If you're the person that was annoyed with an old guy slowing passing on a recovery ride ... please share your side of the story, I'm honestly interested to hear.
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Nothing is going to be perfect. You are generally better off doing more than doing less.
If you ring the bell only when you are close, it will be more likely to startle them.
I will try to use the bell before I get too close and then again when I get closer. This means the first ring is not quite as loud and not "right next" to them. It also should give allow a better estimation of how fast you are going. This can even be help/appreciated when the difference in speed is small.
While people might hear the pawls clicking, they might not be as aware of what that means. They also might not be hearing as far off as you think. A bell has a fairly universal meaning.
If you ring the bell only when you are close, it will be more likely to startle them.
I will try to use the bell before I get too close and then again when I get closer. This means the first ring is not quite as loud and not "right next" to them. It also should give allow a better estimation of how fast you are going. This can even be help/appreciated when the difference in speed is small.
While people might hear the pawls clicking, they might not be as aware of what that means. They also might not be hearing as far off as you think. A bell has a fairly universal meaning.
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The posted rules on the two different municipal MUPs in my area include "Give an audible warning when overtaking/passing." I don't have a bell but announce "on your left." Never had an adverse reaction. I always thank people as I pass, especially those who take control of their dogs or kids.
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The posted rules on the two different municipal MUPs in my area include "Give an audible warning when overtaking/passing." I don't have a bell but announce "on your left." Never had an adverse reaction. I always thank people as I pass, especially those who take control of their dogs or kids.
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Perhaps Californians are easily confused. Never had that happen in Wyoming or Colorado in riding several thousand miles on MUPs. But my average speed is usually around 10-12 mph and I am always prepared to brake when passing.
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Agreed! I've changed to "bike passing" or "bike behind you".
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Do you honk every time you overtake another car in your car? Of course not, that'd be preposterous. You overtake if you can do it safely, and brake if you can't.
I see zero reasons for cyclists to go ding every time they overtake another bicycle, car or whatnot. If the situation is dicey, I brake.
I carried a bell for quite a while until I realized my hands went to the brakes whenever in any doubt and the bell went unused.
I see zero reasons for cyclists to go ding every time they overtake another bicycle, car or whatnot. If the situation is dicey, I brake.
I carried a bell for quite a while until I realized my hands went to the brakes whenever in any doubt and the bell went unused.
Locally, our MUPs "require" a signal when passing [again, this isn't enforced unless there's some sort of crash]. I have better results when I ring a bell prior to passing, though the weight weenies will eschew a bell and just call the pass out. If I'm not sure I can pass safely I'll slow until I can, just like you. So what do you do when the situation isn't dicey, no signal at all?
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Frankly I just ride my road bike on the road whenever the option presents itself, where normal road rules apply.
When I absolutely positively have to go through an area where there are pedastrians and no designated bike paths, I just ride slowly, and keep hands on the brakes instead. A MUP used by lots of pedastrians and cyclists both simply isn’t suited for road bike speeds. Sometimes a hundred metres long shortcut saves going around for five kilometers so it's tolerable but otherwise, no thanks.
Bike lanes adjecent to pedastrian zones, no signal whatsoever, but hands on brakes. In theory pedastrians are not supposed to be in the bike lane. In practice... I can't wait to get back on the road.
When I absolutely positively have to go through an area where there are pedastrians and no designated bike paths, I just ride slowly, and keep hands on the brakes instead. A MUP used by lots of pedastrians and cyclists both simply isn’t suited for road bike speeds. Sometimes a hundred metres long shortcut saves going around for five kilometers so it's tolerable but otherwise, no thanks.
Bike lanes adjecent to pedastrian zones, no signal whatsoever, but hands on brakes. In theory pedastrians are not supposed to be in the bike lane. In practice... I can't wait to get back on the road.
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If I see them I yell out...
Did have a young guy who was running when I did this. He started running faster. Then he slowed and allowed me to catch up. With a smile he pulled his phone and asked if I needed 911.... Ha
As to the OP: Honestly a simple Ding will do...
Fat Sweaty OLD Guy on a bicycle with Poor Vision, Hearing, Balance, Reaction Time, and Breathing... Coming Up On Your SIX...
I'll leave it up to them what direction they want to take...Did have a young guy who was running when I did this. He started running faster. Then he slowed and allowed me to catch up. With a smile he pulled his phone and asked if I needed 911.... Ha
As to the OP: Honestly a simple Ding will do...
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I had two women trade sides. It is now my policy to never say left. Some peeps will just move left because they are in another world at the moment. After about a half hour in cyclists and walker/runners are all on drugs.
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(1) Californians have access to better weed than their fellow Americans in Wyoming and Colorado; or
(2) The weather here in SoCal (where I am) permits and encourages more non-cyclists and inexperienced cyclists to be out and about on the local MUPs.
Or both.
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Heh heh! Either:
(1) Californians have access to better weed than their fellow Americans in Wyoming and Colorado; or
(2) The weather here in SoCal (where I am) permits and encourages more non-cyclists and inexperienced cyclists to be out and about on the local MUPs.
Or both.
(1) Californians have access to better weed than their fellow Americans in Wyoming and Colorado; or
(2) The weather here in SoCal (where I am) permits and encourages more non-cyclists and inexperienced cyclists to be out and about on the local MUPs.
Or both.
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If the riders in front look like they know what they're doing, I usually just pass with as wide a berth as possible, and say "good morning/afternoon/howdy/hola/privet/etc." on the way by with a big friendly wave. If they look less steady and they might be freaked out by me passing, I'll usually hang back and say "Hi there, bike back, passing on your left." Pause a bit, and then go by. Some less steady riders will pull left just looking that way, so you may need to account for that.
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Yes, "passing on your left" works a lot better than "on your left". I sometimes say that, or "excuse me" or "excuse us" if I am with others. I like to make sure they know I am there before I pass them.
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Keep doing what you are doing and just expect that occasionally you'll encounter someone who has an issue. I generally will ring my bell (or less frequently call out) for folks that I'm passing, but sometimes will not. Specifically, if I know the person is aware of my presence, if the music in their buds is so loud that I can hear it 20 ft away, or when I pass serious runners holding their lines when I can give them at least 10 ft clearance.
I was berated by a skater once who felt that I should have called out. She was using the whole width of the path in her glides so I was extra cautious, ringing my fairly loud bell repeatedly as I approached. She moved to the right and, thinking that she heard me, I started to pass on the left only to have her veer toward me. I was past her before any collision, but it was close. She started to yell at me so I stopped to ask here what her issue was. She said that I should have called out before passing because she didn't hear my bell because she had her music loud enough to drown out the sound of her skates.
I was berated by a skater once who felt that I should have called out. She was using the whole width of the path in her glides so I was extra cautious, ringing my fairly loud bell repeatedly as I approached. She moved to the right and, thinking that she heard me, I started to pass on the left only to have her veer toward me. I was past her before any collision, but it was close. She started to yell at me so I stopped to ask here what her issue was. She said that I should have called out before passing because she didn't hear my bell because she had her music loud enough to drown out the sound of her skates.
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