It just doesnt make any sense
10-29-21, 02:09 PM
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Well, if we all try just a little bit harder, we can maybe shove this thread off the cliff and dash it to pieces on the rocks below.
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10-29-21, 03:59 PM
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'As Officer Commanding the Regular Army's Advertising Division, I object, in the strongest possible terms to this obvious reference to our own slogan 'It's a dog's life... a man's life in the modern army' and I warn this programme Forum that any recurrence of this sloppy long-haired civilian plagiarism slagging-off of 1x bicycle drivetrains will be dealt with most severely.'
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Reading bikeforums threads, I've counted at least 150 different instances where you claim there is division among cycling disciplines and/or that one discipline is bad/made up/etc.
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10-31-21, 06:11 AM
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Why do I think "It just doesn't make any sense" sounds like a good title for a BF theme song?
Maybe a new page? .... sort of "foo-boost." We could move certain posts there based on the poster, without even having to read them .....
Maybe a new page? .... sort of "foo-boost." We could move certain posts there based on the poster, without even having to read them .....
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After pondering other threads on gearing, it just doesnt make any sense to get rid of the front triple. A bike report I read had a bike with a 34 front and 12 gears in the cluster. The reason it doesnt make sense is:
1) The are only 12 speeds, which flies in the face of those that demand ever more gears.
2) The rear cluster goes from 12 to 51, which flies in the face of those that want small steps between each gear change.
3) The 51 tooth low gear flies in the face of the weigh weenies because that 51 tooth gear has to weigh much more than twice as much as a 26 tooth granny gear.
So my question is why get rid of the triple?
1) The are only 12 speeds, which flies in the face of those that demand ever more gears.
2) The rear cluster goes from 12 to 51, which flies in the face of those that want small steps between each gear change.
3) The 51 tooth low gear flies in the face of the weigh weenies because that 51 tooth gear has to weigh much more than twice as much as a 26 tooth granny gear.
So my question is why get rid of the triple?
10-31-21, 09:06 AM
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In my opinion it's marketing hype to sell something "better", well, really just different to increase sales. It's the same in almost every sport industry. Heck, there's no way you'll be able to catch a Bass next year unless you buy the pioneering and next revolution in Bass lures, the Hogwasher!!
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10-31-21, 03:12 PM
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Yeah, I realize it is hard to ride a bent anywhere that isn't flat .... but if you cannot understand 1x12 off-road, it is because you are willfully ignorant. You have been riding for way too long not to understand gearing ... . but old guys like you sometimes Want not to understand, and act foolish to try to pretend to be wise.
Anyone with a lot of off-road miles understand 1x. Either you lack the experience and choose not to extrapolate from your road riding, or you have the experience and are just being a donkey.
Anyone with a lot of off-road miles understand 1x. Either you lack the experience and choose not to extrapolate from your road riding, or you have the experience and are just being a donkey.
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10-31-21, 03:49 PM
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I do agree that a 10-50 12 speed cassette on a mountain bike can give you all the climbing you need, even if you have to go with a .6:1 low ratio by running a 30t chainring. In my experience needing anything much below that will be tough to keep the bike in an upright position.
Even in a road situation running a traditional 80’s triple with a 50-40-30 and a 13-34 freewheel, you are better off on both ends with a 40t chainring and a 10-50 cassette.
The 40t chainring with a 50t cog is still better for climbing than a modern road setup with a 30t granny and a 36t cog.
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Even in a road situation running a traditional 80’s triple with a 50-40-30 and a 13-34 freewheel, you are better off on both ends with a 40t chainring and a 10-50 cassette.
The 40t chainring with a 50t cog is still better for climbing than a modern road setup with a 30t granny and a 36t cog.
John
10-31-21, 05:27 PM
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Have a look at these "modern" XC mtbs:-
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/cr...mountain-bikes
What do you notice about the gearing on all of them?
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/cr...mountain-bikes
What do you notice about the gearing on all of them?
10-31-21, 10:22 PM
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Have a look at these "modern" XC mtbs:-
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/cr...mountain-bikes
What do you notice about the gearing on all of them?
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/cr...mountain-bikes
What do you notice about the gearing on all of them?
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11-01-21, 04:23 AM
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I do agree that a 10-50 12 speed cassette on a mountain bike can give you all the climbing you need, even if you have to go with a .6:1 low ratio by running a 30t chainring. In my experience needing anything much below that will be tough to keep the bike in an upright position.
Even in a road situation running a traditional 80’s triple with a 50-40-30 and a 13-34 freewheel, you are better off on both ends with a 40t chainring and a 10-50 cassette.
The 40t chainring with a 50t cog is still better for climbing than a modern road setup with a 30t granny and a 36t cog.
John
Even in a road situation running a traditional 80’s triple with a 50-40-30 and a 13-34 freewheel, you are better off on both ends with a 40t chainring and a 10-50 cassette.
The 40t chainring with a 50t cog is still better for climbing than a modern road setup with a 30t granny and a 36t cog.
John
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11-01-21, 05:02 AM
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11-01-21, 06:37 AM
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Neither are his preferences unique. I acquired a mid-1990s 3X7 Cannondale hybrid last year for utility use that has a half-step-plus-granny triple that has unexpectedly turned out to be my favorite gearing arrangement among my current bikes. Shifting between the two larger chainrings gives a satisfyingly minimal change reminiscent of my straight-block racing days, and while I've used the inner ring only two or three times, to confirm that the front derailleur is correctly set, it's available should I need it.
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Neither are his preferences unique. I acquired a mid-1990s 3X7 Cannondale hybrid last year for utility use that has a half-step-plus-granny triple that has unexpectedly turned out to be my favorite gearing arrangement among my current bikes. Shifting between the two larger chainrings gives a satisfyingly minimal change reminiscent of my straight-block racing days, and while I've used the inner ring only two or three times, to confirm that the front derailleur is correctly set, it's available should I need it.