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Sounds very pleasant. Much lip service is paid to “taking it easy” this time of year and yesterday we actually dialed it back for a rider recovering from a disc herniation, but that’s a rare thing. The other inhibitor of chitchat is the amount of traffic on our narrow roads and the need to ride in a single paceline so much of the time.
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Lots of people limping around town after the Philly marathon.
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Huh. Well, I suppose. The loses from the surface and tires is going to come straight off the top, so watts will be more important than w/kg. If the riders are bigger than you and y'all hang together on the hilly stuff, I guess it would make sense that this would play against you more than them.
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Take note @Velo Vol, this is how you do it. Go Owls!
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We got our tandem out for a short ride today. The small statue is part of a small memorial in our ex-hometown of Washington, IL that was devastated by a tornado in 2013. The story is a staple on the Weather Channel every year during tornado season.
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Sounds very pleasant. Much lip service is paid to “taking it easy” this time of year and yesterday we actually dialed it back for a rider recovering from a disc herniation, but that’s a rare thing. The other inhibitor of chitchat is the amount of traffic on our narrow roads and the need to ride in a single paceline so much of the time.
There is a moto in the pic but it's an old pic. No motos yesterday.
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Huh. Well, I suppose. The loses from the surface and tires is going to come straight off the top, so watts will be more important than w/kg. If the riders are bigger than you and y'all hang together on the hilly stuff, I guess it would make sense that this would play against you more than them.
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There is a dangerous descent after the bigger climbs are done. It has some 16% and decreasing radius turns. Lots of crashes happen here so I always take it slow. Yesterday a group of about 6 riders passed us and they were really letting it all hang out. I was worried for them but they all made it.
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It's about time for me to retire my chains - I've been waxing and hot-swapping the two chains for the last couple of years, but they've both recently reached the wear point. I already had one new chain, but wanted a second to continue the waxing/swapping.
Only one shop in town was showing Shimano 11sp chains in stock for the last 6 months or so, though. They're a little ways away from me, but I finally made the trip today. I got there, asked the guys in the wrenchin' department and, or course, they said that they didn't have any but that they'd had some on order for the last 8 months. I told them that their website showed that they had stock, but that I kind of figured that it had to be wrong. That prompted them to check their computer and, lo and behold, they were showing something like 15 HG-601 chains in stock. This puzzled them, so one guy went lookin' while I gawked at the bikes. He came back a couple minutes later, clearly surprised and with a chain in-hand
So yeah, I figure that the only reason that they had them was because they didn't know that they had them.
I really should have bought a half dozen and flipped 'em.
Only one shop in town was showing Shimano 11sp chains in stock for the last 6 months or so, though. They're a little ways away from me, but I finally made the trip today. I got there, asked the guys in the wrenchin' department and, or course, they said that they didn't have any but that they'd had some on order for the last 8 months. I told them that their website showed that they had stock, but that I kind of figured that it had to be wrong. That prompted them to check their computer and, lo and behold, they were showing something like 15 HG-601 chains in stock. This puzzled them, so one guy went lookin' while I gawked at the bikes. He came back a couple minutes later, clearly surprised and with a chain in-hand
So yeah, I figure that the only reason that they had them was because they didn't know that they had them.
I really should have bought a half dozen and flipped 'em.
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Yeah, 11sp Shimano are hard to come by - there's really only DA-level at retail and some "opportunists" price-gauging 105-level (the HG-601 that I bought). I really did consider buying three chains to have back-ups, but I'm hoping that the new pair will last another ~2 years/12k miles and see me through the supply issues.
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I have one Ultegra and one 105 chain, and don’t notice a difference. Do you?
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Good MN win today.
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Making Chilli with this in honor of Dr. @datlas.
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They tried to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but came up short this time.
Actually, I'm glad to see that they're finally playing more aggressively, but I'm not convinced that Zimmer has changed his stripes and won't try to run out the clock with a 7-point lead, early in the 3rd quarter, next week.
Actually, I'm glad to see that they're finally playing more aggressively, but I'm not convinced that Zimmer has changed his stripes and won't try to run out the clock with a 7-point lead, early in the 3rd quarter, next week.
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Now that winter is here, I have my annual frustration of cold fingers. Before I post in “Winter Cycling,” let’s see what the Addiction brain trust says.
My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.
I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.
So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.
I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).
I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering. Ditto electric “heated gloves.”
tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.
I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.
So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.
I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).
I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering. Ditto electric “heated gloves.”
tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
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I strip mine of lubes and hot wax also.
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Now that winter is here, I have my annual frustration of cold fingers. Before I post in “Winter Cycling,” let’s see what the Addiction brain trust says.
My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.
I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.
So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.
I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).
I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering.
tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.
I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.
So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.
I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).
I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering.
tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
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Now that winter is here, I have my annual frustration of cold fingers. Before I post in “Winter Cycling,” let’s see what the Addiction brain trust says.
My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.
I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.
So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.
I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).
I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering. Ditto electric “heated gloves.”
tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
My quest is for gloves that will keep my fingers warm when temps go well below freezing and remain so for the whole ride (say 3-4 hours). I have tried several cold weather gloves, including last year’s purchase of pricey Castelli Estremo gloves. They are fine for temps above freezing. They are ok for a ride that starts a few degrees below freezing (say 25+) if the temps will rise to above freezing within an hour or so. However, every glove I have tried for hours in subfreezing temps leaves me with painful and/or numb fingers within an hour into the ride.
I have tried adding glove liners to the gloves, which at these temps sadly don’t do much. I have tried those chemical hand warmers, which keep my hands warm (not a problem anyway) but fingers are still too cold/numb/painful.
So far the only solution is to use mittens with thin glove liners (and chemical warner if extreme cold). This works, but the dexterity for shifting and braking are compromised more than I like.
I know about pogies, which I expect do work, but the compromise is you are limited to one hand position (hoods).
I have NOT tried lobster claw gloves, but am considering. Ditto electric “heated gloves.”
tl;dr Any ideas on how to best keep fingers warm on subfreezing rides while maintaining digital dexterity??
This is my most difficult winter cycling issue and I have a few thoughts, but they’re not that helpful. First, I am sure heat losses are most significant from the palmar side of the hand and digits, both because of its greater skin vascularity and because it’s in contact with the bars, which seem to conduct heat, even when taped with foam tape. However, most winter gloves are most heavily insulated on the dorsum. I have two pairs of lobster gloves, one of which has wonderful high loft stuff on the back and thin palms for better control and the other set are thinner on the back and thicker over the palm. The second pair are much warmer, but scare me when descending in the drops.
I tried a pair of Castelli Estremo gloves recently in a warm bike shop. They seemed very well insulated and had nice tacky silicone stuff on the fingers. The are 99 bucks
I have pogies and they work, but I hate them for drop bars for the reason you cite. They were fantastic when I was riding a flat bar bike to work.
I have electric gloves. Of course the heating elements are on the back, greatly reducing their effectiveness, IMO. I imagine they’d get destroyed if they were on the palm. They work okay, but I don’t use them on the bike because they were very expensive and I don’t want to destroy them.
I have tried chemical warmers on my feet, but not my hands.
Don’t dismiss vapor barriers. I think a pair of latex or nitrile gloves on a long ride would keep your gloves from getting sweat-soaked and losing effectiveness, not to mention making them much easier to put back on after stops.
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Sounds like a good reason for crabon bars. Much less thermal conductivity than aluminum.