Addiction 2022.3
#5176
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: 757
Posts: 11,290
Bikes: Madone, Emonda, 5500, Ritchey Breakaway
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10258 Post(s)
Liked 5,231 Times
in
2,242 Posts
Except that sedentary people tend to have higher HR. Apparently "normal" resting HR is 60-100 bpm.
SO! Let's take a sedentary person. Their HR of 60-100 yields 86,400 - 144,000 beats per day.
Now, let's posit somebody fitter. This person has a RHR of 45, and they do 1 1/2 hours of exercise with an average HR of 120. So, in the 22 1/2 hours they aren't exercising, their heart beats 60,750 times. In the 1 1/2 hours they exercise, it beats 10,800.
Add those two together, and you get 71,550 beats a day - at least 14,850 FEWER beats than the sedentary individual. Roughly every 6 days, they'd gain an extra day of longevity over the sedentary person.
SO, EVEN IF it were true that there's a maximum number of beats, you'd use them up quicker if you never exercised.
SO! Let's take a sedentary person. Their HR of 60-100 yields 86,400 - 144,000 beats per day.
Now, let's posit somebody fitter. This person has a RHR of 45, and they do 1 1/2 hours of exercise with an average HR of 120. So, in the 22 1/2 hours they aren't exercising, their heart beats 60,750 times. In the 1 1/2 hours they exercise, it beats 10,800.
Add those two together, and you get 71,550 beats a day - at least 14,850 FEWER beats than the sedentary individual. Roughly every 6 days, they'd gain an extra day of longevity over the sedentary person.
SO, EVEN IF it were true that there's a maximum number of beats, you'd use them up quicker if you never exercised.
You need a hobby.
#5177
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 25,451
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8378 Post(s)
Liked 9,253 Times
in
4,550 Posts
#5178
Super Modest
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 23,517
Bikes: Trek Emonda, Giant Propel, Colnago V3, Co-Motion Supremo, ICE VTX WC
Mentioned: 107 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11000 Post(s)
Liked 4,682 Times
in
2,151 Posts
I went to my family doc a couple weeks ago and the med tech put a finger cuff on me and got 40 bpm. She didn’t believe it and took a wrist pulse count and got 42. She saw that I had an Apple Watch and asked what it was reporting. It was also 42.
The doc which is I’ve only had a short time, takes my pulse at the wrist and gets 42. He also asked me about my watch and I told him it was also 42.
He continues the exam checking things and listens to my hearts and lungs like always and then I leave. I get home and I’m reading the after visit report it says 56 bpm.
The doc which is I’ve only had a short time, takes my pulse at the wrist and gets 42. He also asked me about my watch and I told him it was also 42.
He continues the exam checking things and listens to my hearts and lungs like always and then I leave. I get home and I’m reading the after visit report it says 56 bpm.
__________________
Keep the chain tight!
#5179
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In the foothills of Los Angeles County
Posts: 25,451
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8378 Post(s)
Liked 9,253 Times
in
4,550 Posts
Went out to get the mail. Oppressive heat. Been a while since I've been in 110. Also could smell the brush fire north of here where they are evacuating.
Little window a/c is struggling to keep going. Couple times the compressor kicked off, maybe the pressure got too high. At the old house when it got this hot it would trip the circuit breaker because the head pressure was so high. I put a pedestal fan outside blowing on the condenser and it worked.
Little window a/c is struggling to keep going. Couple times the compressor kicked off, maybe the pressure got too high. At the old house when it got this hot it would trip the circuit breaker because the head pressure was so high. I put a pedestal fan outside blowing on the condenser and it worked.
#5180
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: 757
Posts: 11,290
Bikes: Madone, Emonda, 5500, Ritchey Breakaway
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10258 Post(s)
Liked 5,231 Times
in
2,242 Posts
I went to my family doc a couple weeks ago and the med tech put a finger cuff on me and got 40 bpm. She didn’t believe it and took a wrist pulse count and got 42. She saw that I had an Apple Watch and asked what it was reporting. It was also 42.
The doc which is I’ve only had a short time, takes my pulse at the wrist and gets 42. He also asked me about my watch and I told him it was also 42.
He continues the exam checking things and listens to my hearts and lungs like always and then I leave. I get home and I’m reading the after visit report it says 56 bpm.
The doc which is I’ve only had a short time, takes my pulse at the wrist and gets 42. He also asked me about my watch and I told him it was also 42.
He continues the exam checking things and listens to my hearts and lungs like always and then I leave. I get home and I’m reading the after visit report it says 56 bpm.
mine is usually at 48-52 resting.
#5181
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,803
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
Mine does the opposite - white coat syndrome.
Likes For Mojo31:
#5182
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 18,203
Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10544 Post(s)
Liked 12,122 Times
in
6,206 Posts
Likes For genejockey:
#5183
cowboy, steel horse, etc
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: The hot spot.
Posts: 45,068
Bikes: everywhere
Mentioned: 74 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12901 Post(s)
Liked 7,826 Times
in
4,158 Posts
P&FAOTD
Likes For LesterOfPuppets:
#5184
• —
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Land of Pleasant Living
Posts: 12,306
Bikes: Shmikes
Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10217 Post(s)
Liked 5,925 Times
in
3,193 Posts
An EKG never hurts and I even think an echocardiogram might be worth doing in lifelong competitive athletes. There just seems to be a lot of apparently healthy people and casual riders who have rolled Afib, deadly arrhythmias, and heart attacks into a unitary bogey man who will devour them if they stray over some imaginary redline on the HRM.
Maybe @datlas can correct some of this.
Likes For MoAlpha:
#5185
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,420
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3282 Post(s)
Liked 1,898 Times
in
1,197 Posts
Wordle 439 5/6
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜
🟨🟩⬜⬜⬜
⬜🟩🟨🟨🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜
🟨🟩⬜⬜⬜
⬜🟩🟨🟨🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
#5186
Should Be More Popular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,178
Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix
Mentioned: 561 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22703 Post(s)
Liked 9,062 Times
in
4,208 Posts
Here's how I see it: All of us probably have coronary artery disease, so the baseline risk of heart attack is significantly > zero and generally increasing over time. However, very few of us have a critical narrowing or a hot plaque that might take us out this month. People in that category (many or most of whom have symptoms with exertion) should be medicated and under close supervision and have no business riding a bike at any effort level until they're good and stable. That's an acute condition, not something you expect or screen for in random old duffers. For your unfortunate guy, yeah, he's got bad disease and is at higher risk across the board, but he knew that five years ago and is presumably getting the close follow-up he needs.
An EKG never hurts and I even think an echocardiogram might be worth doing in lifelong competitive athletes. There just seems to be a lot of apparently healthy people and casual riders who have rolled Afib, deadly arrhythmias, and heart attacks into a unitary bogey man who will devour them if they stray over some imaginary redline on the HRM.
Maybe @datlas can correct some of this.
An EKG never hurts and I even think an echocardiogram might be worth doing in lifelong competitive athletes. There just seems to be a lot of apparently healthy people and casual riders who have rolled Afib, deadly arrhythmias, and heart attacks into a unitary bogey man who will devour them if they stray over some imaginary redline on the HRM.
Maybe @datlas can correct some of this.
#5187
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,420
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3282 Post(s)
Liked 1,898 Times
in
1,197 Posts
That's too complex. This is just to test the hypothesis, favored by a certain former President, that there is a maximum number of times your heart can beat before you die, notwithstanding any other potential causes of death. This would just look at the total number of heart beats before death for anyone who didn't die of something else, like cancer, or a stroke, or a bus, to name a few options.
#5188
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,420
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3282 Post(s)
Liked 1,898 Times
in
1,197 Posts
I listened to a podcast last night, where she postulated that skeletal muscle health is the predictor of longevity. And as such, lots of daily protein. A gram per pound of body weight.
And fasting. At least 24 hours once a month.
And fasting. At least 24 hours once a month.
Last edited by seedsbelize2; 09-01-22 at 07:09 AM.
#5189
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,420
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3282 Post(s)
Liked 1,898 Times
in
1,197 Posts
I went to my family doc a couple weeks ago and the med tech put a finger cuff on me and got 40 bpm. She didn’t believe it and took a wrist pulse count and got 42. She saw that I had an Apple Watch and asked what it was reporting. It was also 42.
The doc which is I’ve only had a short time, takes my pulse at the wrist and gets 42. He also asked me about my watch and I told him it was also 42.
He continues the exam checking things and listens to my hearts and lungs like always and then I leave. I get home and I’m reading the after visit report it says 56 bpm.
The doc which is I’ve only had a short time, takes my pulse at the wrist and gets 42. He also asked me about my watch and I told him it was also 42.
He continues the exam checking things and listens to my hearts and lungs like always and then I leave. I get home and I’m reading the after visit report it says 56 bpm.
#5190
Should Be More Popular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,178
Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix
Mentioned: 561 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22703 Post(s)
Liked 9,062 Times
in
4,208 Posts
I am not really sure higher dietary protein causes increased skeletal muscle. It's probably exercise not diet.
#5191
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,420
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3282 Post(s)
Liked 1,898 Times
in
1,197 Posts
I went to my family doc a couple weeks ago and the med tech put a finger cuff on me and got 40 bpm. She didn’t believe it and took a wrist pulse count and got 42. She saw that I had an Apple Watch and asked what it was reporting. It was also 42.
The doc which is I’ve only had a short time, takes my pulse at the wrist and gets 42. He also asked me about my watch and I told him it was also 42.
He continues the exam checking things and listens to my hearts and lungs like always and then I leave. I get home and I’m reading the after visit report it says 56 bpm.
The doc which is I’ve only had a short time, takes my pulse at the wrist and gets 42. He also asked me about my watch and I told him it was also 42.
He continues the exam checking things and listens to my hearts and lungs like always and then I leave. I get home and I’m reading the after visit report it says 56 bpm.
#5192
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,803
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
#5193
• —
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Land of Pleasant Living
Posts: 12,306
Bikes: Shmikes
Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10217 Post(s)
Liked 5,925 Times
in
3,193 Posts
Correct! Lean muscle mass is a major negative predictor of all-cause mortality in the elderly. Protein absorption declines with age, so old people need to eat a huge amount to maintain muscle. A gram per pound sounds about right. It doesn't work without resistance exercise, though. Don't skip leg day!
#5194
• —
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Land of Pleasant Living
Posts: 12,306
Bikes: Shmikes
Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10217 Post(s)
Liked 5,925 Times
in
3,193 Posts
#5195
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,420
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3282 Post(s)
Liked 1,898 Times
in
1,197 Posts
#5196
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520
Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo
Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times
in
4,672 Posts
I forgot my HRM on the ride this morning and had one of my better off-day, TT-ish rides yet. I guess that it's sometimes easier when you can't see how much you're suffering
#5197
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: Yucatán. México
Posts: 6,420
Bikes: 79 Trek 930 is back on the road, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe,87 Schwinn Prelude, 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3282 Post(s)
Liked 1,898 Times
in
1,197 Posts
I was struggling with an internet connection. The site took so long to respond that I was directed to the page that says I can't post twice in 30 seconds. On my device it didn't even post once, that I could see anyway. At other times, with a weak signal, When I type bikeforums.net into the search bar, I'm directed to Internet Brands privacy policy.
#5198
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520
Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo
Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times
in
4,672 Posts
#5199
Should Be More Popular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,178
Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix
Mentioned: 561 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22703 Post(s)
Liked 9,062 Times
in
4,208 Posts
I have not used a HRM for about 5 years, but last time I checked, I could peg the meter at about 190. It's probably come down a few since then, but I am not really interested in such things.
#5200
-------
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 12,803
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9660 Post(s)
Liked 6,366 Times
in
3,506 Posts
I don't see HRs over 150, ever. But, I take a calcium channel blocker which may have an impact on that. I really struggled for a couple of months after my dosage was doubled, but I seem to be getting back to where I was before that.