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Lots of people do, especially if I maintain their bike(s). If you ride regularly (3-5 days a week) once a year is the longest you should go between replacing them. The main reason you replace the cables is because you're replacing the housing. That's where all of the wear that impacts shifting performance takes place. Replacing the cables alone won't get you anywhere. On a road bike this also gives you the chance to replace bar tape. That **** gets nasty and you can get some substantial corrosion on the bars/shifter clamps. I just did cables/housing/tape on a guys bike and it was disgusting. Co-workers could smell it as they walked by. No one wants to be around that much less have to touch it. Take care of your equipment. I've got a story about a guy that ended up dead because he completely ignored his commute bike and his bars broke due to corrosion.
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All this time I just figured your name was Charles Xavier Wrench but I didn't want to doxx you.
Put me down as being in the "you're a cranky bastard, but you give good advice" camp.
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Shorten the chain and wrap it around a ridable gear combo, bypassing the derailleur. The chain tension will probably be less than great, but for the rest of your life you can insufferably flex that you ride a singlespeed.
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Depends on how many miles you ride, as well as the conditions. I don't do it every year, but every 3-5000 miles, depending which bike - some shifters eat cables. Replace the housing every other time.
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Lots of people do, especially if I maintain their bike(s). If you ride regularly (3-5 days a week) once a year is the longest you should go between replacing them. The main reason you replace the cables is because you're replacing the housing. That's where all of the wear that impacts shifting performance takes place. Replacing the cables alone won't get you anywhere. On a road bike this also gives you the chance to replace bar tape. That **** gets nasty and you can get some substantial corrosion on the bars/shifter clamps. I just did cables/housing/tape on a guys bike and it was disgusting. Co-workers could smell it as they walked by. No one wants to be around that much less have to touch it. Take care of your equipment. I've got a story about a guy that ended up dead because he completely ignored his commute bike and his bars broke due to corrosion.
If your housings are worn down enough to affect shifting, a cable and housing change is long overdue. In fact, it's doubtful that a cable run on STI shifters will last anywhere near that long considering STI shifters' appetite for cables.
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I had a conversation with someone at the top of a hill one time that I watched climb that hill in way to hard a gear combo. The conversation wasn't so much about their climbing, but during the conversation they claimed their bike shifted perfectly. However when I ask them why they didn't shift to a lower gear when climbing they said that their bike wouldn't shift to those gears! WTF! <grin>
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Like I said...I have a bike from 2016 and 2018 and none of the shifter cables or housings have been touched and they still shift perfectly fine. Only thing replaced on them is chains, chainrings, cassettes and derailleur. My other 5 bikes are 2020 and newer and nothing has been changed on them yet.
I would think the biggest factor would be riding conditions and whether or not if it's a partially sealed or fully sealed cables. A hard and fast rule of every year seems a bit excessive.
Take care of your equipment. I've got a story about a guy that ended up dead because he completely ignored his commute bike and his bars broke due to corrosion.
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I do ride that much per week. But why should I replace them if they are working just fine? I don't know anyone that replaces their cables and housing once a year. If the cable/housing is going bad I'm thinking it would start showing itself in the form of hard shifting performance and I don't have that. I'll replace when there is evidence of wear.
Like I said...I have a bike from 2016 and 2018 and none of the shifter cables or housings have been touched and they still shift perfectly fine. Only thing replaced on them is chains, chainrings, cassettes and derailleur. My other 5 bikes are 2020 and newer and nothing has been changed on them yet.
I would think the biggest factor would be riding conditions and whether or not if it's a partially sealed or fully sealed cables. A hard and fast rule of every year seems a bit excessive.
My mountain and road bikes have carbon bars. No corrosion.
Like I said...I have a bike from 2016 and 2018 and none of the shifter cables or housings have been touched and they still shift perfectly fine. Only thing replaced on them is chains, chainrings, cassettes and derailleur. My other 5 bikes are 2020 and newer and nothing has been changed on them yet.
I would think the biggest factor would be riding conditions and whether or not if it's a partially sealed or fully sealed cables. A hard and fast rule of every year seems a bit excessive.
My mountain and road bikes have carbon bars. No corrosion.
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Do you take the same approach with your car's motor oil?
I don't know what you're running and how much you ride per year, but my Shimano 11sp bike chews through RD cables much more often than once a year...So I am either changing them ahead of time or after single-speeding home after a failure. And regarding your last sentence, above: when the cable fails, it fails very suddenly. No "evidence of wear" -- it just misses a few shifts and then stops working.
I don't know what you're running and how much you ride per year, but my Shimano 11sp bike chews through RD cables much more often than once a year...So I am either changing them ahead of time or after single-speeding home after a failure. And regarding your last sentence, above: when the cable fails, it fails very suddenly. No "evidence of wear" -- it just misses a few shifts and then stops working.
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You don't wait til the engine blows up in your before doing oil/filter changes, do you?
Changing them regularly nearly eliminates them fatiguing/breaking in the shifter as well.
A bike that sees 'maintenance' will always work compared to one that only gets 'repaired'. I see/hear this all the time with Mtb suspension too...'why service it, it works fine'? Obviously at the opposite end of the spectrum I worked for a pro Mtb team for a season, and did a couple of seasons working for a CX racer. New cables/housing every week/race, no fail. That's my favorite thing about electronic shifting.
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No. See my response above.
2 Fat Bikes, 2 Mountain Bikes, 2 Road Bikes and a hybrid bike. I average about 4,000 miles/per year between my two mountain bikes, fat bike and my road bike. The other fat bike, road bike and hybrid bike are the girls and she averages about 2000 miles/ year. I have yet to change any cables/housing on any of the bikes.
My 2016 hardtail has a Shimano 11 speed setup. SLX shifter and XT derailleur. Still using the same cable and housing that came on the bike in 2016. If you are chewing through RD cables more than once a year I'm thinking you don't have something set up properly. Sounds like the cable housing bends are too tight.
I don't know what you're running and how much you ride per year, but my Shimano 11sp bike chews through RD cables much more often than once a year...So I am either changing them ahead of time or after single-speeding home after a failure. And regarding your last sentence, above: when the cable fails, it fails very suddenly. No "evidence of wear" -- it just misses a few shifts and then stops working.
2 Fat Bikes, 2 Mountain Bikes, 2 Road Bikes and a hybrid bike. I average about 4,000 miles/per year between my two mountain bikes, fat bike and my road bike. The other fat bike, road bike and hybrid bike are the girls and she averages about 2000 miles/ year. I have yet to change any cables/housing on any of the bikes.
My 2016 hardtail has a Shimano 11 speed setup. SLX shifter and XT derailleur. Still using the same cable and housing that came on the bike in 2016. If you are chewing through RD cables more than once a year I'm thinking you don't have something set up properly. Sounds like the cable housing bends are too tight.
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My 2016 hardtail has a Shimano 11 speed setup. SLX shifter and XT derailleur. Still using the same cable and housing that came on the bike in 2016. If you are chewing through RD cables more than once a year I'm thinking you don't have something set up properly. Sounds like the cable housing bends are too tight.
I'm gonna agree with cxwrench that you would likely see an improvement in shift quality with new cables and housings. Like other things (cassettes, chains, etc), they can deteriorate so gradually that you don't notice it until it's pretty extreme.
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Which drivetrains? If Shimano 11sp, I recommend that, at minimum, you replace the RD cables. They really do go quickly -- you'll notice a couple times that you 'click' the shifter and nothing happens, and then...You're single-speeding. I've gotten as little as 1500 miles out of a cable. It's not a Koyote problem -- it's a known issue. Pops up in threads here on bf all the time.
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No. See my response above.
2 Fat Bikes, 2 Mountain Bikes, 2 Road Bikes and a hybrid bike. I average about 4,000 miles/per year between my two mountain bikes, fat bike and my road bike. The other fat bike, road bike and hybrid bike are the girls and she averages about 2000 miles/ year. I have yet to change any cables/housing on any of the bikes.
My 2016 hardtail has a Shimano 11 speed setup. SLX shifter and XT derailleur. Still using the same cable and housing that came on the bike in 2016. If you are chewing through RD cables more than once a year I'm thinking you don't have something set up properly. Sounds like the cable housing bends are too tight.
2 Fat Bikes, 2 Mountain Bikes, 2 Road Bikes and a hybrid bike. I average about 4,000 miles/per year between my two mountain bikes, fat bike and my road bike. The other fat bike, road bike and hybrid bike are the girls and she averages about 2000 miles/ year. I have yet to change any cables/housing on any of the bikes.
My 2016 hardtail has a Shimano 11 speed setup. SLX shifter and XT derailleur. Still using the same cable and housing that came on the bike in 2016. If you are chewing through RD cables more than once a year I'm thinking you don't have something set up properly. Sounds like the cable housing bends are too tight.
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Which drivetrains? If Shimano 11sp, I recommend that, at minimum, you replace the RD cables. They really do go quickly -- you'll notice a couple times that you 'click' the shifter and nothing happens, and then...You're single-speeding. I've gotten as little as 1500 miles out of a cable. It's not a Koyote problem -- it's a known issue. Pops up in threads here on bf all the time.
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Which drivetrains? If Shimano 11sp, I recommend that, at minimum, you replace the RD cables. They really do go quickly -- you'll notice a couple times that you 'click' the shifter and nothing happens, and then...You're single-speeding. I've gotten as little as 1500 miles out of a cable. It's not a Koyote problem -- it's a known issue. Pops up in threads here on bf all the time.
Strava indicates that I have ~2900 miles on my Domane. Still shifts like the day I bought it. The girls bike is one year older and has more miles...also still shifts fine.
Not sure what bike you have, but your cable routing must have some really tight bends for it to be breaking twice a year on you.
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I have some friends with the same model of bike or a competitor bike Specialized, Giant, Cannondale...same-same...no issues with their shifter cables and many many miles on their bikes. Just checked with the girl....~3500 miles on her Domane and it still shifts fine and no cable problems.
Maybe there was certain run of shifters in the past that this was a problem and it was addressed on newer models? A quick google search indicates this inherent issue you describe was on Shimano 5700 series shifters. My bike and her bike have Shimano 105 R7025 and R7020 shifters.
Maybe there was certain run of shifters in the past that this was a problem and it was addressed on newer models? A quick google search indicates this inherent issue you describe was on Shimano 5700 series shifters. My bike and her bike have Shimano 105 R7025 and R7020 shifters.
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I presume if you haven't had this problem in the miles you say, you probably ride mostly flat areas where you aren't doing a lot of shifting.
Maybe there was certain run of shifters in the past that this was a problem and it was addressed on newer models? A quick google search indicates this inherent issue you describe was on Shimano 5700 series shifters. My bike and her bike have Shimano 105 R7025 and R7020 shifters.
And it wasn't a certain run or lot. Multiple generations of STI shifters have this problem from the 5700/6700/7900 generation and forward. I experienced it on both my 6800 rim brake shifters and on my 5800 hydraulic disc brake shifters. Different bikes. And I have seen others have the problem as well with different bikes.
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I presume if you haven't had this problem in the miles you say, you probably ride mostly flat areas where you aren't doing a lot of shifting.
The problem is actually worse on newer Shimano shifters. Once they went to under the handlebar shifter cable routing, they had to redesign the shifter to make it wrap the cable tighter
And it wasn't a certain run or lot. Multiple generations of STI shifters have this problem from the 5700/6700/7900 generation and forward. I experienced it on both my 6800 rim brake shifters and on my 5800 hydraulic disc brake shifters. Different bikes. And I have seen others have the problem as well with different bikes.
And it wasn't a certain run or lot. Multiple generations of STI shifters have this problem from the 5700/6700/7900 generation and forward. I experienced it on both my 6800 rim brake shifters and on my 5800 hydraulic disc brake shifters. Different bikes. And I have seen others have the problem as well with different bikes.
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Yeah. Mine isn't frayed.
Oh god no. I have hills to go up and down in every direction from my house. Can't get away from them. The damn town I live in is in a valley. I have to climb to get out of it no matter which direction I go. And then once I get out...nothing but hilly terrain in every direction.
I must be lucky. We don''t have this problem on our road bikes. Clearly I can't be the only one not having a problem
Oh god no. I have hills to go up and down in every direction from my house. Can't get away from them. The damn town I live in is in a valley. I have to climb to get out of it no matter which direction I go. And then once I get out...nothing but hilly terrain in every direction.
I must be lucky. We don''t have this problem on our road bikes. Clearly I can't be the only one not having a problem
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Wonder if the cable is under high tension during shifts? Maybe inspecting bend loops further down the line (especially at the rear derailleur) could relieve the tension?
Wonder if the cable is under high tension during shifts? Maybe inspecting bend loops further down the line (especially at the rear derailleur) could relieve the tension?
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