After the Big Hit...safety and getting back on the bike
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After the Big Hit...safety and getting back on the bike
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Six weeks ago my pelvis was shattered from getting hit by a cargo van (left hook, he was cited, and they DO cut your expensive bike clothes off in the ambulance). Yes we have excellent insurance & attorney. Yesterday my ortho doc released me to walk again. I've been doing PT and spin bike for over a month, so am better than being immobile for the duration. Fitness will come again but I still have a few physical issues to resolve before biking, still in PT. The problem is getting back on the bike, safety and mentally.
I'm 73, am (was) very fit, and have averaged 4,500 miles a year for the past 11 years. I ride alone, on mostly city/suburban roads, and don't race. I normally use flashing lights front and rear, and often two rear lights, plus a helmet (rear) light at times. I don't ride after dark. MIPS helmet for sure (saved my bacon this time). I ride in the bike lanes/paths when available, which is 60-70% of my routes, don't run stop lights, and watch out for idiots - assuming all vehicles want to kill me. Not sure what more I can do, other than carry a gallon of gas and light myself on fire for the attention.
Not trying to be a weenie, but I need help/advice:
1. How have others dealt with mentally getting back on the bike?
2. What safety related things have you done?
Your thoughts on:
- The mental aspect of getting out among the big moving things again.
- Lights, reflectors, radar, colored clothing, safety related behaviors, other?
Happy holidays, and guess what I am grateful for this Christmas!
Six weeks ago my pelvis was shattered from getting hit by a cargo van (left hook, he was cited, and they DO cut your expensive bike clothes off in the ambulance). Yes we have excellent insurance & attorney. Yesterday my ortho doc released me to walk again. I've been doing PT and spin bike for over a month, so am better than being immobile for the duration. Fitness will come again but I still have a few physical issues to resolve before biking, still in PT. The problem is getting back on the bike, safety and mentally.
I'm 73, am (was) very fit, and have averaged 4,500 miles a year for the past 11 years. I ride alone, on mostly city/suburban roads, and don't race. I normally use flashing lights front and rear, and often two rear lights, plus a helmet (rear) light at times. I don't ride after dark. MIPS helmet for sure (saved my bacon this time). I ride in the bike lanes/paths when available, which is 60-70% of my routes, don't run stop lights, and watch out for idiots - assuming all vehicles want to kill me. Not sure what more I can do, other than carry a gallon of gas and light myself on fire for the attention.
Not trying to be a weenie, but I need help/advice:
1. How have others dealt with mentally getting back on the bike?
2. What safety related things have you done?
Your thoughts on:
- The mental aspect of getting out among the big moving things again.
- Lights, reflectors, radar, colored clothing, safety related behaviors, other?
Happy holidays, and guess what I am grateful for this Christmas!
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I'd use a radar w/t light & make sure you have reflective material down at the moving limbs area (ankle/feet area) .
Do you ride a road bicycle or recumbent?
Sometimes nothing will help if the location is naturally riddled with careless drivers.
I'd use a radar w/t light & make sure you have reflective material down at the moving limbs area (ankle/feet area) .
Do you ride a road bicycle or recumbent?
Sometimes nothing will help if the location is naturally riddled with careless drivers.
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I was right-hooked about 2 years ago. Though, the car was stopped, for no apparent reason since there was not a stop sign, and I was passing on the right when it then turned without warning. They had passed me moments before, so should have been aware I was around and of course no signal they intended to turn. I assume they were trying to decide whether to turn or not turn.
I learned something from this. I.E, basically to never pass a car on the right. And also, if I'm thinking WTF is that car doing, assume it will do the worst possible thing. And my point about getting back in the saddle is, I took confidence from the fact that I learned, albeit the hard way, to avoid this in the future. Perhaps there is something you can learn from your experience. While it was clearly the drivers fault, perhaps there is something you could have done differently that you can employ in the future.
Of course, you can't protect yourself from all possible situations no matter how defensive you ride, but anything you can do different to give you a little more control may help your confidence to get back out there.
Also, it's a normal human response to be afraid of something after you were seriously injured doing it. I wonder if some counseling of some sort would help. Rather like getting help for PTSD.
As for safety gear. I were hi-viz jerseys and jackets. usually hi-viz socks. I use flashing front and rear daytime lights, like you, that are very bright.
Something my wife does is she waves at drivers. Just to get their attention. Like, "yoo-hoo, I'm over here, don't run me over." But heck, drivers run into other cars and trucks, so there's no 100% way to always be truly seen.
I learned something from this. I.E, basically to never pass a car on the right. And also, if I'm thinking WTF is that car doing, assume it will do the worst possible thing. And my point about getting back in the saddle is, I took confidence from the fact that I learned, albeit the hard way, to avoid this in the future. Perhaps there is something you can learn from your experience. While it was clearly the drivers fault, perhaps there is something you could have done differently that you can employ in the future.
Of course, you can't protect yourself from all possible situations no matter how defensive you ride, but anything you can do different to give you a little more control may help your confidence to get back out there.
Also, it's a normal human response to be afraid of something after you were seriously injured doing it. I wonder if some counseling of some sort would help. Rather like getting help for PTSD.
As for safety gear. I were hi-viz jerseys and jackets. usually hi-viz socks. I use flashing front and rear daytime lights, like you, that are very bright.
Something my wife does is she waves at drivers. Just to get their attention. Like, "yoo-hoo, I'm over here, don't run me over." But heck, drivers run into other cars and trucks, so there's no 100% way to always be truly seen.
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I see cyclists here taking some, what would be for me, dangerous risks. One was coming down a steep decline yesterday and was on the double yellows as we passed. I've had enough incidents with dogs that I just have to live with it because the concern isn't going to go away. At least in the city most owners have them fenced in or on leases. As everyone knows, dogs abound in popularity. Since I live now in a bike friendly location, I feel safer on city back streets, but not on the busier ones. I do think the ebikes to be a plus and saw one rider on a busy street doing well a few weeks back. His up to speed was definitely better.
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I learned something from this. I.E, basically to never pass a car on the right. And also, if I'm thinking WTF is that car doing, assume it will do the worst possible thing. And my point about getting back in the saddle is, I took confidence from the fact that I learned, albeit the hard way, to avoid this in the future. Perhaps there is something you can learn from your experience. While it was clearly the drivers fault, perhaps there is something you could have done differently that you can employ in the future.
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AirZound airhorn. They'll almost always hear you. All my bikes have one. You pump it up with a bike pump.
https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Bike-Horn-Bell-Adults/dp/B000ACAMJC
.Stops cars backing out of driveways and more:
https://www.amazon.com/Bicycle-Bike-Horn-Bell-Adults/dp/B000ACAMJC
.Stops cars backing out of driveways and more:
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I am interested to know the mph of the road hit on? Also, was the turn a 90 degree turn for the perp (I was almost left hooked on a larger angle turn where the driver hardly slowed down in a 30 mph roadway)?
A left hook won't be fixed with a radar. Maybe ride on backroads of 30 mph or less, use airzound, additional caution at all intersections, as others mentioned.
A left hook won't be fixed with a radar. Maybe ride on backroads of 30 mph or less, use airzound, additional caution at all intersections, as others mentioned.
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I am interested to know the mph of the road hit on? Also, was the turn a 90 degree turn for the perp (I was almost left hooked on a larger angle turn where the driver hardly slowed down in a 30 mph roadway)?
A left hook won't be fixed with a radar. Maybe ride on backroads of 30 mph or less, use airzound, additional caution at all intersections, as others mentioned.
A left hook won't be fixed with a radar. Maybe ride on backroads of 30 mph or less, use airzound, additional caution at all intersections, as others mentioned.
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Not trying to be a weenie, but I need help/advice:
1. How have others dealt with mentally getting back on the bike?
2. What safety related things have you done?
Your thoughts on:
- The mental aspect of getting out among the big moving things again.
- Lights, reflectors, radar, colored clothing, safety related behaviors, other?
Not trying to be a weenie, but I need help/advice:
1. How have others dealt with mentally getting back on the bike?
2. What safety related things have you done?
Your thoughts on:
- The mental aspect of getting out among the big moving things again.
- Lights, reflectors, radar, colored clothing, safety related behaviors, other?
The only thing that can minimize the chances of a left/right hook is to take the lane. The fact that this van driver didn't plow into your rear means he saw you, but he completely misjudged his ability to safely overtake you and/or was too impatient to wait. No amount of lights, reflective gear, or radar devices would have changed that.
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Everything Cyclists Need to Know About Left-Hook Bicycle Accidents"
https://www.dolmanlaw.com/blog/everything-cyclists-need-to-know-about-left-hook-bicycle-accidents/ (NOT my attorney)
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It sounds to me like you're doing everything possible to be safe. We're close to the same age and I too ride a lot with lights, helmet, bright clothes and situational awareness. But there is just no accounting for idiots. Glad you're doing better. I've only been hit once and not seriously. The person never stopped to even check on me. I was shaken and it took a while before I could mingle with traffic again. I stuck to mups and alleys for awhile as I couldn't stay off the bike even though I couldn't get back out in the mix of things. It came with gradual encounters and now I don't even think about it. That was about 3 years ago.
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A right hook is, yes. A left hook? There is such a thing and I for one don't think it's worth it to split hairs over whether it is a left hook or left cross ... left hook works for me.
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I saw this post last night. I scrapped two or three lengthy replies before I decided to just sleep on it. I consulted my Stoker/Co-pilot about it this morning. Even after the new replies Mtracer still stands out as having the take closest to mine. Especially: "I learned something from this. I.E, basically to never pass a car on the right. And also, if I'm thinking WTF is that car doing, assume it will do the worst possible thing. And my point about getting back in the saddle is, I took confidence from the fact that I learned, albeit the hard way, to avoid this in the future. Perhaps there is something you can learn from your experience. While it was clearly the drivers fault, perhaps there is something you could have done differently that you can employ in the future".
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Six weeks ago my pelvis was shattered from getting hit by a cargo van (left hook, he was cited, and they DO cut your expensive bike clothes off in the ambulance). Yes we have excellent insurance & attorney. Yesterday my ortho doc released me to walk again. I've been doing PT and spin bike for over a month, so am better than being immobile for the duration. Fitness will come again but I still have a few physical issues to resolve before biking, still in PT. The problem is getting back on the bike, safety and mentally.
I'm 73, am (was) very fit, and have averaged 4,500 miles a year for the past 11 years. I ride alone, on mostly city/suburban roads, and don't race. I normally use flashing lights front and rear, and often two rear lights, plus a helmet (rear) light at times. I don't ride after dark. MIPS helmet for sure (saved my bacon this time). I ride in the bike lanes/paths when available, which is 60-70% of my routes, don't run stop lights, and watch out for idiots - assuming all vehicles want to kill me. Not sure what more I can do, other than carry a gallon of gas and light myself on fire for the attention.
Not trying to be a weenie, but I need help/advice:
1. How have others dealt with mentally getting back on the bike?
2. What safety related things have you done?
Your thoughts on:
- The mental aspect of getting out among the big moving things again.
- Lights, reflectors, radar, colored clothing, safety related behaviors, other?
Happy holidays, and guess what I am grateful for this Christmas!
Six weeks ago my pelvis was shattered from getting hit by a cargo van (left hook, he was cited, and they DO cut your expensive bike clothes off in the ambulance). Yes we have excellent insurance & attorney. Yesterday my ortho doc released me to walk again. I've been doing PT and spin bike for over a month, so am better than being immobile for the duration. Fitness will come again but I still have a few physical issues to resolve before biking, still in PT. The problem is getting back on the bike, safety and mentally.
I'm 73, am (was) very fit, and have averaged 4,500 miles a year for the past 11 years. I ride alone, on mostly city/suburban roads, and don't race. I normally use flashing lights front and rear, and often two rear lights, plus a helmet (rear) light at times. I don't ride after dark. MIPS helmet for sure (saved my bacon this time). I ride in the bike lanes/paths when available, which is 60-70% of my routes, don't run stop lights, and watch out for idiots - assuming all vehicles want to kill me. Not sure what more I can do, other than carry a gallon of gas and light myself on fire for the attention.
Not trying to be a weenie, but I need help/advice:
1. How have others dealt with mentally getting back on the bike?
2. What safety related things have you done?
Your thoughts on:
- The mental aspect of getting out among the big moving things again.
- Lights, reflectors, radar, colored clothing, safety related behaviors, other?
Happy holidays, and guess what I am grateful for this Christmas!
The consistent detail was, not 'taking the lane'.
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Exactly 1 year ago I took a very bad fall going downstairs I tripped and fell headfirst. I fractured my C2 vertebra and had a couple of flesh wounds. I spent 8 days in hospital and another 6 weeks before I could remove my cervical collar. But guess what? I was on the mend and I fell again down my basement steps. Another C2 fracture and more weeks of recuperation. I basically missed out on summer. For a Canadian, missing out on our wonderful summers is like being sent to purgatory.
However, I am optimistic. Last week I bought a fat bike
However, I am optimistic. Last week I bought a fat bike
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Exactly 1 year ago I took a very bad fall going downstairs I tripped and fell headfirst. < > I spent 8 days in hospital and another 6 weeks before I could remove my cervical collar. But guess what? I was on the mend and I fell again down my basement steps.
However, I am optimistic. Last week I bought a fat bike
However, I am optimistic. Last week I bought a fat bike
And why the heck didn't you spend the money you put on the FB to paying someone to renovate/upgrade basement stairs that tried to kill you twice??
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Be it 4 (or 6) or 126, that's a heck of alotta 'accidents' my friend!
I'm surprised you can still key in posts here!
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Exactly 1 year ago I took a very bad fall going downstairs I tripped and fell headfirst. I fractured my C2 vertebra and had a couple of flesh wounds. I spent 8 days in hospital and another 6 weeks before I could remove my cervical collar. But guess what? I was on the mend and I fell again down my basement steps. Another C2 fracture and more weeks of recuperation. I basically missed out on summer. For a Canadian, missing out on our wonderful summers is like being sent to purgatory.
However, I am optimistic. Last week I bought a fat bike
However, I am optimistic. Last week I bought a fat bike
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The accident in 2003 was a hairline fracture from hitting a parked car. In a mall parking lot I had never been to before.
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I'm not understanding how being in the traffic lane protects you from a left turner. If you are over in the right gutter, you have additional microseconds of reaction time before contact, and so does the left turner. This is besides the fact that a cyclist is a traffic impediment on just about any road except a 'sharrow' marked for mixed use (car/bicycle) traffic. There would be no need for sharrows if it was legal for cyclists to hold the prevailing speed of traffic flow to what an average cyclist can muster (12mph).
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I should clarify that my statement about being hit twice and suggesting to take the lane were not causally related (at least for me). I mentioned being hit because I have experience in overcoming the apprehension to mingle in traffic again, which was advice on the mental aspect of OP's situation.