Dahon vs. Zizzo
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The above can't hurt, but IIRC, your frame is aluminum, so less vulnerable than unpainted steel inside the tubes.
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The last bike I purchased was over 15 years ago and I looking for a folding bike to get back into riding.
I am looking for folding bike for recreational exercise. The bike will be used mostly on the urban road, but I don’t mind if I can take it off road on few occasions.
Requirements of the bike would include
Zizzo is cheaper and heavier load than the Dahon.
Dahon has a longer reputation than the Zizzo.
I am looking for feedback to which bike to get or you have any suggestions for another model.
I am looking for folding bike for recreational exercise. The bike will be used mostly on the urban road, but I don’t mind if I can take it off road on few occasions.
Requirements of the bike would include
- Light as possible for travel
- A rack for storage
- Under $1,000
- Amazon or local delivery in Canada
- Zizzo Forte 2023
- Dahon Mariner D8
Zizzo is cheaper and heavier load than the Dahon.
Dahon has a longer reputation than the Zizzo.
I am looking for feedback to which bike to get or you have any suggestions for another model.
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I don't need to fold so much these days, so currently it's my grocery getter. My heels just clear with the panniers pushes beyond the rear axle.
Would recommend, especially when they are on sale.
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I've had a Liberté for 5 years and it's been really good. Definitely value for money.
I don't need to fold so much these days, so currently it's my grocery getter. My heels just clear with the panniers pushes beyond the rear axle.
Would recommend, especially when they are on sale.
I don't need to fold so much these days, so currently it's my grocery getter. My heels just clear with the panniers pushes beyond the rear axle.
Would recommend, especially when they are on sale.
Darned nice setup at budget cost. Anyone can cook a fine steak. It's making a fabulous meal with low-cost ingredients that shows artistry.
OOO! Bonus points: Notice on your frame, the weld between the top tube and the seat tube, that weld is finish-dressed, sanded, unlike all the other welds. That can be a crack point on the seat tube, and that dressing helps for a smoother transition in stresses.
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Panniers behind the rear axle for heel clearance: Truer words were never said. Very hard to find such rear racks. My blackburn TRX-2 is good but no longer made. Axiom has one and with lower pannier tiers like mine. Looks like you finessed your basket mounting even with using only half the rack length, well done.
Darned nice setup at budget cost. Anyone can cook a fine steak. It's making a fabulous meal with low-cost ingredients that shows artistry.
OOO! Bonus points: Notice on your frame, the weld between the top tube and the seat tube, that weld is finish-dressed, sanded, unlike all the other welds. That can be a crack point on the seat tube, and that dressing helps for a smoother transition in stresses.
Darned nice setup at budget cost. Anyone can cook a fine steak. It's making a fabulous meal with low-cost ingredients that shows artistry.
OOO! Bonus points: Notice on your frame, the weld between the top tube and the seat tube, that weld is finish-dressed, sanded, unlike all the other welds. That can be a crack point on the seat tube, and that dressing helps for a smoother transition in stresses.
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(above) Oh wow, I thought you had perhaps attached the panniers to the rack vertical strut, either permanent, or a forward facing U-hook, to counteract the bottoms of the panniers tipping forward. I'm surprised they are stable with just the two hooks on each. EDIT: Oh, I see now the top hooks are not just U-hooks but clips that wrap around, yeah that works better.
I was really lucky to find the Blackburn TRX-2 on clearance price on Nashbar, I think it was a bit over $20, long and wide deck with 3/4 of it behind the axle, the deck actually extends a couple inches aft of the tire, which is a plus for me; When folded, my aero bars need to tip up, so with the handlebar stem down when folded, the bike would be resting on the tip of those; No problem, I just rotate the bike onto its aft end, it's stable sitting on the rear tire and back of rack. But that rack setup required the absolute longest stays I could find to reach the seatstay braze-ons.
Another good aft-sitting rack (and wide deck, unlike their Streamliners), with lower tiers for panniers (also stock stays not long enough though):
https://www.amazon.com/Axiom-Journey...dp/B009VU3RAU/
I was really lucky to find the Blackburn TRX-2 on clearance price on Nashbar, I think it was a bit over $20, long and wide deck with 3/4 of it behind the axle, the deck actually extends a couple inches aft of the tire, which is a plus for me; When folded, my aero bars need to tip up, so with the handlebar stem down when folded, the bike would be resting on the tip of those; No problem, I just rotate the bike onto its aft end, it's stable sitting on the rear tire and back of rack. But that rack setup required the absolute longest stays I could find to reach the seatstay braze-ons.
Another good aft-sitting rack (and wide deck, unlike their Streamliners), with lower tiers for panniers (also stock stays not long enough though):
https://www.amazon.com/Axiom-Journey...dp/B009VU3RAU/
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Sorry, i don't understand that completely. Is that a weld over another weld and then sanded for a better look? Or for additional stability? Thanks!
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I was really lucky to find the Blackburn TRX-2 on clearance price on Nashbar, I think it was a bit over $20, long and wide deck with 3/4 of it behind the axle, the deck actually extends a couple inches aft of the tire, which is a plus for me; When folded, my aero bars need to tip up, so with the handlebar stem down when folded, the bike would be resting on the tip of those; No problem, I just rotate the bike onto its aft end, it's stable sitting on the rear tire and back of rack. But that rack setup required the absolute longest stays I could find to reach the seatstay braze-ons.
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I found that the Blackburn Grid series of rear racks were pretty good too for full-size panniers on a 20” wheeler bike, in my case for a pair of 26l Carradice canvas monsters. Blackburn seems to have about 2/3 of the rack deck behind the rear axle and the long adjustable arms are capable of reaching the lower seat stays. Ron Damon, look away now:
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That does look good! In the years after the TRX-2, Blackburn came out with some heavy duty rear and front racks, I think perhaps even made from steel, but those were squarely over the rear axle. Wow, those stays do just reach, and at a good angle, I've often recommended to people to do that rather than the stays coming from the top deck and being almost verticle; Like you've done can much better resist fore/aft loads from the rack trying to swing under acceleration and braking. My rack is so far back that I have a good angle to the top deck, otherwise I would have done like you did. That's also why I'm not a fan of curving the stays, it means the rack will be constantly pivoting around the tiny lower mount bolts, not by much, but enough to loosen the bolts.
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A very valid point. Higher up just under the deck would be better, and still have a good angle, but I don't think his stays are long enough for that. I will say that very curved flat stays have way more flex than that vertical rack strut. But good catch, I agree.