Bar-Extender : DiY - of some nice and powerful solutions
#1
Bar-Extender : DiY - of some nice and powerful solutions
ever thought of using a bar extender for your touring bike!?
saw the 'BarYak which is pretty nice - but question : cant we do such things as DiY
see
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/315885361345370959/
and
https://shorturl.at/aesP3
can we do this with aluminium full profile
saw the 'BarYak which is pretty nice - but question : cant we do such things as DiY
see
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/315885361345370959/
and
https://shorturl.at/aesP3
can we do this with aluminium full profile
Last edited by apollodriver; 04-15-24 at 12:19 PM.
#2
A lot of bar-extenders, also known as a double-clamp, are not stiff enough to resist the torque of handlebar forces when climbing, and most especially the very long version in one of your links. Most are designed to just hold a stub tube to hold accessories like lights, computer, bell, etc. Just for hand grips as an aero-bar might work, but better to use clip-on bars designed for that. Even if the double-clamp held up in stress, at what, 3 or 4X the length, that's how much any flex would also increase. Stout double-clamps such as those I have seen come on some Tern bikes, are both shorter and more stout in construction:
https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/acce...72/andros-stem
https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/acce...72/andros-stem
#3
Senior Member
Bar-Extender¿?
here we tour with 4 full panniers! ;())))))
here we tour with 4 full panniers! ;())))))
Likes For str:
#5
I make a ton of stuff myself as I find it interesting and challenging at times. My view is that anything can be a DIY project. The individual is only limited by the scope of the project and how it matches up to their skills and resources.
Recently I made my own "anything" cages to be mounted on the fork blades. I looked at what was out there and made mine using a less complex design that has little chance of failure should the bike and I end up in a wreck. I have made bottle holders for 64oz bottles, brackets of all sorts and even a couple of touring frames.
There is nothing that cannot be a DIY project.
Recently I made my own "anything" cages to be mounted on the fork blades. I looked at what was out there and made mine using a less complex design that has little chance of failure should the bike and I end up in a wreck. I have made bottle holders for 64oz bottles, brackets of all sorts and even a couple of touring frames.
There is nothing that cannot be a DIY project.
#6
I make a ton of stuff myself as I find it interesting and challenging at times. My view is that anything can be a DIY project. The individual is only limited by the scope of the project and how it matches up to their skills and resources.
Recently I made my own "anything" cages to be mounted on the fork blades. I looked at what was out there and made mine using a less complex design that has little chance of failure should the bike and I end up in a wreck. I have made bottle holders for 64oz bottles, brackets of all sorts and even a couple of touring frames.
There is nothing that cannot be a DIY project.
Recently I made my own "anything" cages to be mounted on the fork blades. I looked at what was out there and made mine using a less complex design that has little chance of failure should the bike and I end up in a wreck. I have made bottle holders for 64oz bottles, brackets of all sorts and even a couple of touring frames.
There is nothing that cannot be a DIY project.
#7
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 11,568
Bikes: 1961 Ideor, 1966 Perfekt 3 Speed AB Hub, 1994 Bridgestone MB-6, 2006 Airnimal Joey, 2009 Thorn Sherpa, 2013 Thorn Nomad MkII, 2015 VO Pass Hunter, 2017 Lynskey Backroad, 2017 Raleigh Gran Prix, 1980s Bianchi Mixte on a trainer. Others are now gone.
Liked 1,589 Times
in
1,230 Posts
ever thought of using a bar extender for your touring bike!?
saw the 'BarYak which is pretty nice - but question : cant we do such things as DiY
see
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/315885361345370959/
and
https://shorturl.at/aesP3
kann man so was nicht auch selber machen?
saw the 'BarYak which is pretty nice - but question : cant we do such things as DiY
see
https://www.pinterest.de/pin/315885361345370959/
and
https://shorturl.at/aesP3
kann man so was nicht auch selber machen?
For touring, I really do not want to put my hands further forward than the hoods. And if I did, I would use aero bars.
And as noted by Duragrouch, the further you are away from the stem or handlebar, the more torque you would be putting on the stem attachment, which could be problematic.
When threadless stems first came out, many had a two bolt plate to attach the handlebar to stem. And the handlebars often could slip when you hit bumps, etc. I can't remember the last time I saw a stem with only two bolts to attach handlebar to stem, now four is quite common. I had a two bolt one two decades ago, and every time I went over a rail road crossing or some other nasty bump, my handlebars shifted in the stem. I eventually bought a better stem with a four bolt plate.
#8
good day dear friends
first of all - many many thanks for the quick reply.
Duragrouch
i want to run the bike like here is shown see
a.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-FVWTuQ-b3RJyg
b. https://www.flickr.com/photos/rlevan...-FVWTuQ-b3RJyg
many thanks
Tourist in MSN
well do you think i can do this with a full - alu profile
see the full alu profile
see the easy version - not fully fledged
well i want ot have a fully fledget version .- like the baryak - but honestly - it is by far toooo expensive for me.
i want to do it on my own -
do you think i can take a full profile of Alu and create this on my own...
first of all - many many thanks for the quick reply.
Duragrouch
agree. I used to do the same when I had access to a full metal shop at my former employers. Plus I was qualified on everything, having worked doing that before and during college.
i want to run the bike like here is shown see
a.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-FVWTuQ-b3RJyg
b. https://www.flickr.com/photos/rlevan...-FVWTuQ-b3RJyg
many thanks
Tourist in MSN
I am not really sure what your goal is?
For touring, I really do not want to put my hands further forward than the hoods. And if I did, I would use aero bars.
And as noted by Duragrouch, the further you are away from the stem or handlebar, the more torque you would be putting on the stem attachment, which could be problematic.
When threadless stems first came out, many had a two bolt plate to attach the handlebar to stem. And the handlebars often could slip when you hit bumps, etc. I can't remember the last time I saw a stem with only two bolts to attach handlebar to stem, now four is quite common. I had a two bolt one two decades ago, and every time I went over a rail road crossing or some other nasty bump, my handlebars shifted in the stem. I eventually bought a better stem with a four bolt plate.
For touring, I really do not want to put my hands further forward than the hoods. And if I did, I would use aero bars.
And as noted by Duragrouch, the further you are away from the stem or handlebar, the more torque you would be putting on the stem attachment, which could be problematic.
When threadless stems first came out, many had a two bolt plate to attach the handlebar to stem. And the handlebars often could slip when you hit bumps, etc. I can't remember the last time I saw a stem with only two bolts to attach handlebar to stem, now four is quite common. I had a two bolt one two decades ago, and every time I went over a rail road crossing or some other nasty bump, my handlebars shifted in the stem. I eventually bought a better stem with a four bolt plate.
well do you think i can do this with a full - alu profile
see the full alu profile
see the easy version - not fully fledged
well i want ot have a fully fledget version .- like the baryak - but honestly - it is by far toooo expensive for me.
i want to do it on my own -
do you think i can take a full profile of Alu and create this on my own...
#9
(above) If you are using long double clamps to hold bar-ends like a clip-on aero bar, if you are only pulling straight back on the handles, it might work, much less loading than handlebar climbing torque transmitted through the double clamp, that's bad. But note that the handles are above the clamps, so you will be putting bending moment on the long clamps.
The big no-no for the double clamps I have seen is any torsional loading; They all have narrow clamps with slots, and this is not proper for torsional loading.
I don't know your location (EDIT: I see on your profile, Germany), but in my city, there is a great bike shop with used parts, and they have excellent old Profile clip-on bars, originally $150+, for $20. Even if I had machine shop access, it wouldn't pay for me to try to make same.
If you want bars that swing forward and back to change position, I'd recommend the Tern double clamp as I previously linked to. It's proven, although it's really designed for city bikes, not performance bikes, so might still slip. The others, I would would not trust them to not break off as I am applying climbing torque to handlebar.
Just know, that clip-on aero bars, most are designed to clamp close on either side of the stem handlebar clamp, to save handlebar space, so may not work with a double clamp designed to clamp in the same space.
The big no-no for the double clamps I have seen is any torsional loading; They all have narrow clamps with slots, and this is not proper for torsional loading.
I don't know your location (EDIT: I see on your profile, Germany), but in my city, there is a great bike shop with used parts, and they have excellent old Profile clip-on bars, originally $150+, for $20. Even if I had machine shop access, it wouldn't pay for me to try to make same.
If you want bars that swing forward and back to change position, I'd recommend the Tern double clamp as I previously linked to. It's proven, although it's really designed for city bikes, not performance bikes, so might still slip. The others, I would would not trust them to not break off as I am applying climbing torque to handlebar.
Just know, that clip-on aero bars, most are designed to clamp close on either side of the stem handlebar clamp, to save handlebar space, so may not work with a double clamp designed to clamp in the same space.
Last edited by Duragrouch; 04-16-24 at 01:02 AM.
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 11,568
Bikes: 1961 Ideor, 1966 Perfekt 3 Speed AB Hub, 1994 Bridgestone MB-6, 2006 Airnimal Joey, 2009 Thorn Sherpa, 2013 Thorn Nomad MkII, 2015 VO Pass Hunter, 2017 Lynskey Backroad, 2017 Raleigh Gran Prix, 1980s Bianchi Mixte on a trainer. Others are now gone.
Liked 1,589 Times
in
1,230 Posts
...
Tourist in MSN
well do you think i can do this with a full - alu profile
see the full alu profile
see the easy version - not fully fledged
well i want ot have a fully fledget version .- like the baryak - but honestly - it is by far toooo expensive for me.
i want to do it on my own -
do you think i can take a full profile of Alu and create this on my own...
Tourist in MSN
well do you think i can do this with a full - alu profile
see the full alu profile
see the easy version - not fully fledged
well i want ot have a fully fledget version .- like the baryak - but honestly - it is by far toooo expensive for me.
i want to do it on my own -
do you think i can take a full profile of Alu and create this on my own...
#11
bicycle tourist
What is your goal?
Is it to have additional hand positions, e.g. aerobars?
Is it to have additional places to put equipment like lights and similar?
Is it some combination of both?
I have the bar extender that you show in the picture above. It is sufficient to put some additional light things (e.g. lights, cycle computer). It does not however, strong enough or set up enough for me to put any sort of weight/leverage that might be implied by hand positions. If I were doing that, I would look more at handlebar options including aerobars.
As far as your ability to make something, I think you are in much better position to know whether you have skills needed.
Is it to have additional hand positions, e.g. aerobars?
Is it to have additional places to put equipment like lights and similar?
Is it some combination of both?
I have the bar extender that you show in the picture above. It is sufficient to put some additional light things (e.g. lights, cycle computer). It does not however, strong enough or set up enough for me to put any sort of weight/leverage that might be implied by hand positions. If I were doing that, I would look more at handlebar options including aerobars.
As far as your ability to make something, I think you are in much better position to know whether you have skills needed.
#12
Old age cyclist
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 141
Bikes: Motobecane Grand Record, Motobecane Super Mirage (3x5 speeds), Motobecane Mirage, Atala (unknown model), Peugeot mixte frame Tourist and Schwinn Sport. A bunch more kids bikes. Most recently a Trek Verve One, tricked up for serious touring.
Liked 79 Times
in
39 Posts
good day dear friends
first of all - many many thanks for the quick reply.
Duragrouch
i want to run the bike like here is shown see
a.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-FVWTuQ-b3RJyg
b. https://www.flickr.com/photos/rlevan...-FVWTuQ-b3RJyg
many thanks
Tourist in MSN
well do you think i can do this with a full - alu profile
see the full alu profile
see the easy version - not fully fledged
well i want ot have a fully fledget version .- like the baryak - but honestly - it is by far toooo expensive for me.
i want to do it on my own -
do you think i can take a full profile of Alu and create this on my own...
first of all - many many thanks for the quick reply.
Duragrouch
i want to run the bike like here is shown see
a.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-FVWTuQ-b3RJyg
b. https://www.flickr.com/photos/rlevan...-FVWTuQ-b3RJyg
many thanks
Tourist in MSN
well do you think i can do this with a full - alu profile
see the full alu profile
see the easy version - not fully fledged
well i want ot have a fully fledget version .- like the baryak - but honestly - it is by far toooo expensive for me.
i want to do it on my own -
do you think i can take a full profile of Alu and create this on my own...
#13
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Elevation 666m Edmonton Canada
Posts: 2,572
Bikes: 2013 Custom SA5w / Rohloff Tourster
Liked 368 Times
in
274 Posts
The OP contraption sticking out 6 inches is as suicidal as it gets. One pot hole and boom.
Obviously the bike must also be 2 sizes too SMALL. WTF.
My steel DIY threaded stems have two bolts >> M8, so they are strong as a horse. Bar is chrome steel as well.
My IGH shifters are on the top tube where they belong.
Obviously the bike must also be 2 sizes too SMALL. WTF.
My steel DIY threaded stems have two bolts >> M8, so they are strong as a horse. Bar is chrome steel as well.
My IGH shifters are on the top tube where they belong.
Last edited by GamblerGORD53; 04-17-24 at 02:55 PM.
#14
hi there many thanks for the repies and for all your explanations
btw - see this example - that comes with some exrta extenders - for holding onto - obviously
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-LYz1rh-b3RJyg
btw - i do not want to show fotos - since i do not want to infringe any copyrights - but well - what about all the BarYAK and similar versions - i think that baryak is working towards such a goal -: to place some extra point for holding onto
what do you folks say to this
llook forward to read your comments.
btw - see this example - that comes with some exrta extenders - for holding onto - obviously
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-LYz1rh-b3RJyg
btw - i do not want to show fotos - since i do not want to infringe any copyrights - but well - what about all the BarYAK and similar versions - i think that baryak is working towards such a goal -: to place some extra point for holding onto
what do you folks say to this
llook forward to read your comments.
#15
hi there many thanks for the repies and for all your explanations
btw - see this example - that comes with some exrta extenders - for holding onto - obviously
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-LYz1rh-b3RJyg
btw - i do not want to show fotos - since i do not want to infringe any copyrights - but well - what about all the BarYAK and similar versions - i think that baryak is working towards such a goal -: to place some extra point for holding onto
what do you folks say to this
llook forward to read your comments.
btw - see this example - that comes with some exrta extenders - for holding onto - obviously
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-LYz1rh-b3RJyg
btw - i do not want to show fotos - since i do not want to infringe any copyrights - but well - what about all the BarYAK and similar versions - i think that baryak is working towards such a goal -: to place some extra point for holding onto
what do you folks say to this
llook forward to read your comments.
OP: You've inspired me to perhaps make a change on my bike, I want the clip-on aero bars to be higher, but would not use cheap double clamps because they are too weak to raise the whole handlebar, and the strong Tern part would sit in the place where I need to clamp the aeros. But I think raising only the aero bar, with double clamps spaced farther outboard, and then the aero bar inboard of that, may work, and the loads I put on the aero bar are at least an order of magnitude lower than the handlebar, I don't climb on the aero bars. EDIT: I forgot, Profile makes a whole range of clamp spacers to raise my bars, I just didn't want to spend $47+tax+shipping for two relatively simple spacers. So I don't need double clamps at all, for those bars. However I have another set of profile clip-on bars where the bars attach to the *lower* half of the clamp, so vertical spacers do no good, and, I can't invert the clamps because the arm pads only attach to the proper top side of the clamp.
Last edited by Duragrouch; 04-17-24 at 11:42 PM.
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Madison, WI
Posts: 11,568
Bikes: 1961 Ideor, 1966 Perfekt 3 Speed AB Hub, 1994 Bridgestone MB-6, 2006 Airnimal Joey, 2009 Thorn Sherpa, 2013 Thorn Nomad MkII, 2015 VO Pass Hunter, 2017 Lynskey Backroad, 2017 Raleigh Gran Prix, 1980s Bianchi Mixte on a trainer. Others are now gone.
Liked 1,589 Times
in
1,230 Posts
hi there many thanks for the repies and for all your explanations
btw - see this example - that comes with some exrta extenders - for holding onto - obviously
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-LYz1rh-b3RJyg
btw - i do not want to show fotos - since i do not want to infringe any copyrights - but well - what about all the BarYAK and similar versions - i think that baryak is working towards such a goal -: to place some extra point for holding onto
what do you folks say to this
llook forward to read your comments.
btw - see this example - that comes with some exrta extenders - for holding onto - obviously
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbos...-LYz1rh-b3RJyg
btw - i do not want to show fotos - since i do not want to infringe any copyrights - but well - what about all the BarYAK and similar versions - i think that baryak is working towards such a goal -: to place some extra point for holding onto
what do you folks say to this
llook forward to read your comments.
Thus, if you put a lot of weight on the end of that thing you construct, it could be problematic. And I can't see it being a good way to steer a bike.
Aero bars stick out pretty far forward to, but they are not intended to put a lot of weight on, with those you put your arms on some pads attached to the handlebar so that very little weight is on the aero bars.
I do not think you will be happy with the result if you build it, but it is pretty clear that you intend to.
#17
good day -
first of all: many many thanks for the reply and all your ideas - and thoughts that you share with us all
fully agreed - btw. the folks that run a barYak - they use it under heavy conditions - in other words - sometimes i saw that there are options ot uput the arms on some pads attached
see one version of the extended barYak
well .- how do you think this aluminium consturcion is made - and much Nm we can put on it -
image source: https://salenzvs.live/product_details/107932895.html
first of all: many many thanks for the reply and all your ideas - and thoughts that you share with us all
n the handlebar and stem connection with a long cantilever arm like that.
Thus, if you put a lot of weight on the end of that thing you construct, it could be problematic. And I can't see it being a good way to steer a bike.
Aero bars stick out pretty far forward to, but they are not intended to put a lot of weight on, with those you put your arms on some pads attached to the handlebar so that very little weight is on the aero bars.I do not think you will be happy with the result if you build it, but it is pretty clear that you intend to.
Thus, if you put a lot of weight on the end of that thing you construct, it could be problematic. And I can't see it being a good way to steer a bike.
Aero bars stick out pretty far forward to, but they are not intended to put a lot of weight on, with those you put your arms on some pads attached to the handlebar so that very little weight is on the aero bars.I do not think you will be happy with the result if you build it, but it is pretty clear that you intend to.
see one version of the extended barYak
well .- how do you think this aluminium consturcion is made - and much Nm we can put on it -
image source: https://salenzvs.live/product_details/107932895.html
#18
good day -
first of all: many many thanks for the reply and all your ideas - and thoughts that you share with us all
fully agreed - btw. the folks that run a barYak - they use it under heavy conditions - in other words - sometimes i saw that there are options ot uput the arms on some pads attached
see one version of the extended barYak
well .- how do you think this aluminium consturcion is made - and much Nm we can put on it -
image source: https://salenzvs.live/product_details/107932895.html
first of all: many many thanks for the reply and all your ideas - and thoughts that you share with us all
fully agreed - btw. the folks that run a barYak - they use it under heavy conditions - in other words - sometimes i saw that there are options ot uput the arms on some pads attached
see one version of the extended barYak
well .- how do you think this aluminium consturcion is made - and much Nm we can put on it -
image source: https://salenzvs.live/product_details/107932895.html
I looked up the Bar Yak; From the side views, it has tons of lightening slots and holes in it. It will hold fore/aft loads and a bit of vertical load if it doesn't rotate the handlebar itself, but any torsional loading like if you held the top/front bar while climbing, it would twist.
For torsional rigidity without excess weight, you need a closed-section, i.e., a rectangular, round, or oval tube.
Last edited by Duragrouch; 04-20-24 at 08:09 PM.
#19
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,221
Bikes: Columbine, Paramount Track Bike, Colnago Super, Santana Tandems (1995 & 2007), Gary Fisher Piranha, Trek Wahoo, Bianchi Track Bike, a couple of Honda mountain bikes
Liked 439 Times
in
271 Posts
I looked up the Bar Yak; From the side views, it has tons of lightening slots and holes in it. It will hold fore/aft loads and a bit of vertical load if it doesn't rotate the handlebar itself, but any torsional loading like if you held the top/front bar while climbing, it would twist.
.
__________________
Cheers, Mike
-Stupid hurts....ride safe
Cheers, Mike
-Stupid hurts....ride safe
#20
Oh for cargo or instruments, looks fine. It won't take the same loads as closed-section aerobars, but if a lot lower cost, a good solution for those. For equal money, I would buy good aerobars.