Sy Reene

Does anyone just down one of these instant breakfast shake things as a pre-ride meal? Got a starter pack off of The Feed (who apparently I learned owns this company). Not bad at all from a taste standpoint. What say you, versus for example, a bowl of standard oatmeal with some blueberries thrown in?

https://thefeed.com/collections/kyoku

slow rollin

Personally I wouldn't need a 22g of protein pre-ride. Most of the ingredients seem to be a good healthy "catch all" of a shake. Healthy, and if it works for you that's great.
I tend to have large dinners+my fat storage tire that supply my rides well enough so this would not be applicable for me.
You could also read/watch the feed or use youtube's feed while feeding on the feed's shake.................................................

MoAlpha

I have read that we wake up in a protein-catabolic state after fasting all night, so a protein bolus first-thing is good in general. I wouldn’t do that right before high-intensity workouts, though.

RChung

Full English breakfast, on the way.

Carbonfiberboy 

My reference says 60g carbs, 11g protein for a bowl of oatmeal. What one eats before a ride depends on how long and hard a ride it is, from nothing to say several 100g carbs. What does a ride look like for you now? I know I've had to pare it way back.

Iride01 

That's a lot of sodium. I don't even put that much sodium in my bottles for a hot days ride. In fact I'd probably have to drink at least 3 bottles to get that much.

Hammer's Vegan Protein in Chocolate will be similar option I'd think. And less expensive. With less sodium.

https://hammernutrition.com/collecti...42815249678571

Sy Reene

I'm not sure how to evaluate this level of sodium. Supposedly the US RDA of Sodium is up to 2300mg;(about 1 tsp). And this shake, as a 'breakfast shake' is supposedly a substitute for one of your (3?) meals during the day, and 460mg = 1/5 of a teaspoon? I would guess it probably matters what else you're eating and drinking that also has sodium in it.

Iride01 

If you don't monitor it and you eat most normal things everyone else eats then you get way more sodium than the US RDA. And they don't have to be snack foods either. Most anything ready to eat that comes in a bottle, jar, box, frozen meal and even condiments.

I'm not a hardliner on Sodium intake. But you should be aware of how much you are getting from places you wouldn't expect. It's one of the reasons I don't recommend Gatorade as a first choice for hydration with carbohydrates when cycling.

kinnessa60

I have heard about them but I am down on my own breakfast shakes me at least trying to do like 3 days a week. Unfortunately u can easily got bored and disgusted of such breakfast so I am trying to combine it with a regular food . Shakes I ususally drink when I do exercises like that https://betterme.world/articles/calisthenics-for-glutes/. For not to full my stomach and have effective workout.

MinnMan

I tend not to worry about sodium. Maybe I should? I drink so much H2O (both on the bike and other times) and I sweat so much, I doubt that it causes an issue.
My BP tends to be around 110/70, so no evidence of hypertension.

For those of us who are (a) well hydrated (b) sweating a great deal and (c) not hypertensive, I would think that our sodium intake should be *greater* than the RDA, which is not meant for people doing lots of intense exercise and sweating.

I understand that there are correlations between high sodium intake and heart disease, stroke, etc., but I have always assumed that this is owing to hypertension. Is there evidence that it increases these risks in non-hypertensive individuals?

MoAlpha

The hypertensive response to sodium varies among individuals due to genetic and other factors.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1...al%20morbidity.

The response to a sodium load can be mitigated with good hydration.

MinnMan

So, quantitative sodium intake does not map the same way to hypertensivity for every individual, meaning the amount of sodium that each of can tolerate without enhanced risk of high BP is individual.
But does it follow that those who are not hypertensive don't have increased risk of morbidity and diseases from our sodium intake?

MinnMan

ah, MoAlpha , I somehow missed the 3rd sentence in your post. That more or less does address my question.

MoAlpha

Not my specialty, but my take is that if you’re sodium sensitive, you’re at risk from salt even if you’re not hypertensive yet.

MinnMan

OK, I missed that. The link you posted emphasized "SS-HT", salt sensitive hypertension.

MoAlpha

Right, because it’s hard to identify at-risk individuals before they show clinical signs, but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Presumably, someone has had the idea to look for the underlying traits in unaffected relatives of sodium sensitive individuals or something, but I’m not motivated to search.

MinnMan

OK, good to know. Easy on the salt. Or, as Oscar Wilde said, "Everything in moderation, including moderation, and except for cycling miles."

Most people leave out the last part of his quote.

MoAlpha

Or, as Walter Lippmann said, “Ride yer damn bike.”