Junior gear and why you care...
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I think junior gear restrictions in mountain bike racing should be implemented before road racing. You're going to see far more low-cadence, high torque efforts in MTB than road, yet it's completely ignored.
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At any rate, I don't see what the problem is - are juniors being held back by this? If so, that would mean they aren't going pro, ever, because they can't compete enough to get noticed.
But they do go pro, so that line of reasoning doesn't hold..
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I think held back is relative. Sure it cost a place or two. But I'm not convinced spinning 110 vs 90 in pros is better. Our juniors are the best in the world, but are adults are not. I'm sure location has something to do with it, but the transition is not being made.
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I would think USAC mostly cares about performance in jr-only races like l'Abitibi, and other stage races with jr-only cats, rather than how a jr does in NCC crits against pros on sr gears.
That's why I'm thinking it doesn't really matter if the kiddies are held back when racing against people on adult gears, at least in the long run.
That's why I'm thinking it doesn't really matter if the kiddies are held back when racing against people on adult gears, at least in the long run.
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junior gear restrictions precede the existence of mountain biking.
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Sorry, I wasn't talking about the chronology of it. I was saying it would make more sense to have them in place in MTB than it does for the road.
IMO, if someone wants to blow up their knees, they'll find a way to do it, and a 52x14 high gear isn't going to prevent that.
IMO, if someone wants to blow up their knees, they'll find a way to do it, and a 52x14 high gear isn't going to prevent that.
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I truly believe a 52x16 top gear should be employed at 10-12, 13-14, 15-16 and cat5 level. It teaches the craft, before moving up. Belgie's have it right.
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Injury prevention programs do help but they do not eliminate the difference.
A meta-analysis of the incidence of anterior cruciate ligament tears as a function of gender, sport, and a knee injury-reduction regimen. - PubMed - NCBI
Dosage Effects of Neuromuscular Training Intervention to Reduce Anterior Cruciate Ligament Injuries in Female Athletes: Meta-and Sub-group Analyses
A meta-analysis of the incidence of anterior cruciate ligament tears as a function of gender, sport, and a knee injury-reduction regimen. - PubMed - NCBI
Dosage Effects of Neuromuscular Training Intervention to Reduce Anterior Cruciate Ligament Injuries in Female Athletes: Meta-and Sub-group Analyses
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Ok, show me the multi year intervention that was done which "makes the women's injury rates the same as men's."
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Hasn't been done yet, for I'd hope obvious reasons. However, all the data shows that the longer the injury prevention program, the lower the injury rates. So...pretty reasonable to expect that to continue if it's part of girls' soccer from much younger ages. Will it be exactly the same as boys'/mens'? Who knows. But social mores against girls/women in the weight room are contributing to the injury problem.
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Hasn't been done yet, for I'd hope obvious reasons. However, all the data shows that the longer the injury prevention program, the lower the injury rates. So...pretty reasonable to expect that to continue if it's part of girls' soccer from much younger ages. Will it be exactly the same as boys'/mens'? Who knows. But social mores against girls/women in the weight room are contributing to the injury problem.
You can't do huge extrapolations...
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...I can though. My weight went up by 1 lb overnight. I should be on course to weigh ~580 lbs this time next year.
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Hasn't been done yet, for I'd hope obvious reasons. However, all the data shows that the longer the injury prevention program, the lower the injury rates. So...pretty reasonable to expect that to continue if it's part of girls' soccer from much younger ages. Will it be exactly the same as boys'/mens'? Who knows. But social mores against girls/women in the weight room are contributing to the injury problem.
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You may be too tactful to state it directly.
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There isn't.
I'm ok with a Cat5 restriction, but 15-16, no way. 15-18 Juniors should ride category gear restrictions (proposed Cat5) only when racing in category fields.
This is is one area where I agree completely with Doge, which is quite rare.
I'm ok with a Cat5 restriction, but 15-16, no way. 15-18 Juniors should ride category gear restrictions (proposed Cat5) only when racing in category fields.
This is is one area where I agree completely with Doge, which is quite rare.