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Close. Ordered rank to occurrence (in this case, to death). Proportional hazards is, um, proportional, and Cox realized that proportionality is a strong enough restriction that you can get the risk ratios even without needing the underlying absolute risk. I *think* I might be one of the few professors who forces students to sit through a lecture where I do a proportional hazards estimation with two covariates on the blackboard by hand. Like most survival analysis techniques, it handles censored observations pretty well.
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Link to an older thread that I started about intermittent fasting, with some info that some here may or may not appreciate
https://www.bikeforums.net/training-...t-fasting.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/training-...t-fasting.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/training-...t-fasting.html
This current thread certainly has some interesting posts.
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I became interested in nutrition back in '70, in my hippie days, when a standard greeting was, "What are you eating now?" I've seen and participated in some serious craziness. Ever had carrot top soup? No? You've really missed something. My breakfast for a while was steel-cut oats, soaked overnight, no milk. Don't want to ruin the nutrition by heating it! It was quick though.
Nutrition is still interesting, isn't it?
Nutrition is still interesting, isn't it?
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No, most don't if they eat 3 meals/day.
For example, I do intermittent fasting for several reasons. First, I try not eat after dinner (usually after 7 PM) to help control my acid reflux. , Second, unless I'm going out for a long morning ride or am traveling, I usually do not eat breakfast. This results in a 8 hours of allowed food consumption and a 16 hour fast, from 7 PM to 11 AM, generally 4-5 days/week. I find that this regimen helps me control my weight (largely because time rules help with self-control over snacking) and my blood sugar, which previously was on a trend towards type 2 diabetes, even though I exercised extensively (say, 7-9k miles/year on the bike) and was not overweight (5"10, 145-155#, depending).
For example, I do intermittent fasting for several reasons. First, I try not eat after dinner (usually after 7 PM) to help control my acid reflux. , Second, unless I'm going out for a long morning ride or am traveling, I usually do not eat breakfast. This results in a 8 hours of allowed food consumption and a 16 hour fast, from 7 PM to 11 AM, generally 4-5 days/week. I find that this regimen helps me control my weight (largely because time rules help with self-control over snacking) and my blood sugar, which previously was on a trend towards type 2 diabetes, even though I exercised extensively (say, 7-9k miles/year on the bike) and was not overweight (5"10, 145-155#, depending).
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I became interested in nutrition back in '70, in my hippie days, when a standard greeting was, "What are you eating now?" I've seen and participated in some serious craziness. Ever had carrot top soup? No? You've really missed something. My breakfast for a while was steel-cut oats, soaked overnight, no milk. Don't want to ruin the nutrition by heating it! It was quick though.
Nutrition is still interesting, isn't it?
Nutrition is still interesting, isn't it?
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How does that relate to an 8 hour time restricted eating window? Sounds more like a 16 hour window to me. Or have I missed your point here?
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OMG that's still going on. The ability to make and preserve fire was a huge turning in human nutrition. It turns out that cooking food releases more nutrients which in turn meant that after fire, humans could eat less which meant less time foraging, which meant more time thinking. Most health faddists point to a small loss in vitamin content in cooked foods, true, but neglect to mention how much more digestible cooked foods are, which means we get more energy from them. Also many foods are almost indigestible raw, like potatoes. "a fragment of underdone potato?" - Scrooge. I can spend time fooling around with this because in a few minutes I'm going to eat beans with corn tortilla and fixings for breakfast, all cooked. All of that almost inedible raw. That said, when I was hitching across Yugoslavia with no money at all, I ate raw field corn stolen out of the peoples' fields in the night. Luckily it was corn season, but then I'm always lucky.
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I became interested in nutrition back in '70, in my hippie days, when a standard greeting was, "What are you eating now?" I've seen and participated in some serious craziness. Ever had carrot top soup? No? You've really missed something. My breakfast for a while was steel-cut oats, soaked overnight, no milk. Don't want to ruin the nutrition by heating it! It was quick though.
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Is it the study itself that is hyped or just the media reporting on it? Were the authors specifically looking to demonstrate an adverse link or was it something that simply popped out of the data that they couldn’t just ignore? I suspect more the latter as I got the impression that the adverse link was a surprise.
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Is it the study itself that is hyped or just the media reporting on it? Were the authors specifically looking to demonstrate an adverse link or was it something that simply popped out of the data that they couldn’t just ignore? I suspect more the latter as I got the impression that the adverse link was a surprise.
I don't think there were any surprises for the designers of the study. All medias love hype and controversy.
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Don't let this one flawed and overly hyped study stop you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUWSlsivFhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUWSlsivFhM
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Is it the study itself that is hyped or just the media reporting on it? Were the authors specifically looking to demonstrate an adverse link or was it something that simply popped out of the data that they couldn’t just ignore? I suspect more the latter as I got the impression that the adverse link was a surprise.
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I can't guess why you assign more credence to this study than it clearly deserves, but I don't have any inclination and do not wish to spend any time arguing with you over it. Hope you have a nice day.
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i'm gonna say the same things I probably said in that disaster of a thread by that one dude linked above, current peer reviewed evidence demonstrates no real difference between intermittent fasting and standard calorie restriction, so it's really a matter of folks figuring out what works best for themselves. There's a lot of pseudoscience and unproven claims made regarding IF, much like other fads there's a lot of misinformation spread to overhype it
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The flaw is what? It is at variance with your expectation biases?
I'll wait for the peer review process before concluding anything, but unless there actually is a real flaw in the statistical analysis, you'll have to come up with something slightly more compelling than a sales-pitch video from someone who isn't medically qualified.
I'll wait for the peer review process before concluding anything, but unless there actually is a real flaw in the statistical analysis, you'll have to come up with something slightly more compelling than a sales-pitch video from someone who isn't medically qualified.
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The flaw is what? It is at variance with your expectation biases?
I'll wait for the peer review process before concluding anything, but unless there actually is a real flaw in the statistical analysis, you'll have to come up with something slightly more compelling than a sales-pitch video from someone who isn't medically qualified.
I'll wait for the peer review process before concluding anything, but unless there actually is a real flaw in the statistical analysis, you'll have to come up with something slightly more compelling than a sales-pitch video from someone who isn't medically qualified.
The study is flawed for many reasons clearly explained in the video I posted which you hold bias against for some reason. No one in that study was medically qualified. It was performed as a survey, relying completely on anecdotal information with no specificity as to diet or any other possible contributing factors.
Would you still contribute the groups heart troubles to IM fasting if you knew most of them were obese smokers? What if the majority ate mostly fast food?
There are multiple scientific peer reviewed studies showing many health benefits of IM fasting, yet for some reason you prefer to give credit to an unreviewed anecdotal study with clear issues. I may be biased toward IM fasting but it's because I am following the clearest scientific evidence available. Why are you biased?
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My "bias" is to allow the established scientific review processes (peer review, publication in a reputable journal) do its thing.
As for the results being preliminary, that is what happens at conferences where people present new, unpublished findings. Conferences are also, more informally, part of the antagonistic review process, because people can argue about what is presented, attack it, reject it, and hopefully improve what survives critical analyses.
As for the results being preliminary, that is what happens at conferences where people present new, unpublished findings. Conferences are also, more informally, part of the antagonistic review process, because people can argue about what is presented, attack it, reject it, and hopefully improve what survives critical analyses.
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