PromptCritical 

You could make a small lever that fit into a pedal as if it were a shoe cleat to hold the bike up with the crank at the proper position and carry it in your jersey.

bboy314

So what’s the new bike?? For the record, the Trek FX 6 you originally mentioned has a kickstand mount

PeteHski

Looks like we are on bike D now 😂

MikeDeason

The saga is over. Used info from here and friends who intervened on the Orbea. Bought paid for no touchbacks.

Got $700 off

Will post pic when I pick it up.

NumbersGuy

So, on to yet another bike, and again you picked something that doesn't meet your requirements and you're not confident in, except now it's at the no refunds stage... Great Job!!!

And you're still refusing to take advice from those who know more than you about tires... Double Great Job!!!

PromptCritical 

Yeah, it works great. The bars do move down under braking, particularly on downhills. not enough to be an issue, but certainly enough for the dark recesses of my mind to start telling me something is not right!

Cane Creek is going to release an upside down fork this summer that looks really attractive. Well see.

squirtdad

Really has nothing to do with durability of carbon (and I am steel fan) but more to the design of the bike.....few high end bikes,no matter what material, are designed to have the clamping forces of a kick stand.

MikeDeason

Did not know that either. I’ve just always had a kickstand. Very handy accessory. So you could not even clamp one on a high end steel bike ?

I had one clamped on a cheap Norco hybrid bike for 20yrs. No damage. And I have one on my current aluminum commuter

Aubergine 

You can, but you will deform the chain stays.

MikeDeason

So long term will having a clamped kickstand f up this bike?

This is my current, soon to be wife’s , commuter hybrid IGH belt drive

bboy314

Seems like a fine bike for a kickstand. I’d use something with a thicker top plate that won’t bend easily, like a Greenfield kickstand, and be careful to get it tight enough but not too tight.

MikeDeason

so I can clamp a kickstand on my (relatively) cheap hybrid aluminum bike and I had one bolted to a $300 Norco for 20yrs but on my new cf bike, I risk damaging the bike.

huh

icemilkcoffee 

What carbon bike is this? Sounds like it's just as ill suited for commuting as the original Orbea.

bboy314

Yes, mainly because production of (and demand for) CF commuter bikes is almost nonexistent. It can be done (like the FX Sport) but most carbon bikes prioritize low weight over provisions for things like kickstands and racks.

shelbyfv

Still being coy about the new bike.

squirtdad

Long term, probably to some degree. , if you really crank down on the bolt (which often happens to keep stand from getting loose and flopping around, then you can start getting into crushing tubes. not a big deal with thick 4130 tubes, more of a deal with oversized aluminum tubes and high end (thinner) tubes

this type seems to use less pressure, but I would still not use on anything high end

NumbersGuy

Yes, cheap metal bikes with heavy, thick wall tubing can deal very easily with clamping forces. Carbon (or any higher end bike where weight is a focus) have their structure designed for strength in the amounts and directions where needed, compliance in areas where desired and reduced weight wherever possible. Beefing up chainstays to support the loads exerted when clamping (and often over tightening) a kickstand are not in line with the goals of a higher end bike.

i hate to break it to you, but you shouldn’t be buying a higher end bike. Your “huh” comment clarifies that even now that you’ve gone through discussions about 4 bikes you were planning to buy and are getting good info and advice from many sources, you’re incapable of or refuse to gain any understanding before making purchase decisions.

Trakhak

Just because the stays haven't (yet) cracked doesn't mean they haven't deformed.

Use of the common center mount kickstand wasn't a problem back when nearly all bike frames were built with thick-wall, heavy high-tensile steel. It was only when lightweight frames built with thin-wall steel tubing started being sold in great numbers that kickstands were seen to crush the chain stays.

The damage is potentially even worse with the aluminum tubing used in better bikes. (The cheap thick-wall aluminum tubing used in Walmart-level bikes can usually withstand the clamping force of a kickstand pretty well.)

I used to see such damage often when I worked in bike stores - most often on aluminum bikes, but frequently on steel bikes, too. Here's a Surly blog post responding to people who complained to them about kickstand clamps damaging the chain stays on Long Haul Truckers.

shelbyfv

He may have taken this to heart. Remains to be seen what, if anything has been "bought and paid for." Again....

MikeDeason

I just find a dichotomy between the fact the frame can withstand the weight of a rider over harsh terrain and not a kickstand.

yes. I bought a cf bike . I’ll post a pic within 14 days.

PeteHski

Yep, your cheap aluminium hybrid is probably a better choice for use with a kickstand. A bit like using a tow hitch is better on an old truck rather than a supercar.

So what have you finally bought? So far we know it has a carbon frame and you will have to get used to not using a kickstand.

Maelochs

Maybe it is because the entire frame is designed to work as a unit, and is designed to bear specific loads at specific locations ... and the chainstays are Not designed for localized stress mid-tube ..... If you really thought about it you would see.

Think how thin the seat stays are on some bikes .... they are designed to bear relatively small loads, and even to flex a little to absorb shock .... but look at the junction of the down tubes, chainstays and bottom bracket .... thick and meaty .... The strength is where it needs to be .... and if the chainstay was not designed for a kickstand, that extra load where it is not intended to be, could overstress the specific spot.

bboy314

There’s a pretty drastic difference between your weight balanced and spread over the entire bike, and a kickstand clamping a 1” section of the chainstays with significant force.

I’m curious why the mechanic doesn’t want to install your chosen tires. Is it because they’re the wrong size for your rims?

MikeDeason

Size is good. The bike comes with a 700x40mm tire and a tubeless set up which the salesman seemed keen on.

Two reasons I switched tires. One, the included tires got a horrible review on a website that appears very thorough and reputable. Second, and more importantly, I don’t want to deal with sealant maintenance. The bike will be kept in a lean-to year round which I would imagine necessitates more frequent sealant checks.

I want the set it and forget it, no stress tire set-up, the Marathon Plus promise.

bboy314

Makes sense to me. Some will complain about the weight and ride quality of the Marathon plus, but if durability and longevity are your priorities then it really can’t be beat. And I wouldn’t bother with tubeless for a hybrid/commuter bike either.