Video: cyclist broadsided
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Holy crap that is one seriously damn dumb bicycle rider. If the rider is hoping for the driver to be held legally accountable, so too should the bicycle rider. Crossing double yellow, running a red light, failure to yield right of way and for the damages to the motor vehicle. I hope the driver is charged with hit and run.
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Holy crap that is one seriously damn dumb bicycle rider. If the rider is hoping for the driver to be held legally accountable, so too should the bicycle rider. Crossing double yellow, running a red light, failure to yield right of way and for the damages to the motor vehicle. I hope the driver is charged with hit and run.
Youtube has a lot of videos about the story all concentrating on the hit-and-run. But nobody highlights the fact of the red-light runner. There's an interview with Black who thinks DeGrise should go through the criminal legal process and that there has to be a lesson learned for safer streets. But the interviewer never challenged Black for running the red light. And if he were in a bike lane, he still would have ran the red.
If Amy DeGrise had stopped, this wouldn't have blown up to what it was. But Brown still would have been hit only because...he ran the red.
There's another video reporting that Brown's statement to the police says he was proceeding with the light. Which is a lie.
If he had waited for the green just like the car to his right waited, none of this would have happened.
0:56 rides past stopped car and enters intersection.
From the other angle showing his red light.
Andy Brown is a hypocrite for not taking responsibility for his own actions.
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Yesterday I watched the lady in yellow, like the crash dummy was wearing. Watch from the start, at 0:50 she is watching her buddy while facing the approaching car.
At 0:55 she raises both arms together twice like the Braves tomahawk chop and then back down. This is as the cyclist starts to swing out to pass the stopped car. Looks like a signal to me.
Right at the collision, she runs away 30 feet and stops. Then comes back to pickup his shoe. She hangs around like they are buddies.
At 0:55 she raises both arms together twice like the Braves tomahawk chop and then back down. This is as the cyclist starts to swing out to pass the stopped car. Looks like a signal to me.
Right at the collision, she runs away 30 feet and stops. Then comes back to pickup his shoe. She hangs around like they are buddies.
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Yesterday I watched the lady in yellow, like the crash dummy was wearing. Watch from the start, at 0:50 she is watching her buddy while facing the approaching car.
At 0:55 she raises both arms together twice like the Braves tomahawk chop and then back down. This is as the cyclist starts to swing out to pass the stopped car. Looks like a signal to me.
Right at the collision, she runs away 30 feet and stops. Then comes back to pickup his shoe. She hangs around like they are buddies.
At 0:55 she raises both arms together twice like the Braves tomahawk chop and then back down. This is as the cyclist starts to swing out to pass the stopped car. Looks like a signal to me.
Right at the collision, she runs away 30 feet and stops. Then comes back to pickup his shoe. She hangs around like they are buddies.
It doesn’t seem she would have been able to see the car and she wouldn’t have been able to estimate the speed anywhere near as precise as such a scheme would require.
She’s waving to the person on the other side of the crosswalk.
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Yesterday I watched the lady in yellow, like the crash dummy was wearing. Watch from the start, at 0:50 she is watching her buddy while facing the approaching car.
At 0:55 she raises both arms together twice like the Braves tomahawk chop and then back down. This is as the cyclist starts to swing out to pass the stopped car. Looks like a signal to me.
Right at the collision, she runs away 30 feet and stops. Then comes back to pickup his shoe. She hangs around like they are buddies.
At 0:55 she raises both arms together twice like the Braves tomahawk chop and then back down. This is as the cyclist starts to swing out to pass the stopped car. Looks like a signal to me.
Right at the collision, she runs away 30 feet and stops. Then comes back to pickup his shoe. She hangs around like they are buddies.
This is the dumbest thing I've read all week. Why would anyone need the signaller if their plan is to throw themselves in front of a car? And who would be crazy enough to do that and expect to be around to collect? This guy was incredibly lucky.
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If a cyclist ran a light and broadsided me in one of those lousy north jersey cities and it was clear the scofflaw was ok, I'd move up a few blocks to render assistance by calling 911 and await the cavalry there. Worst case the victim gets a couple of deserved 500 dollar tickets for running. She was probably scared of being mugged or jacked.
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I don't understand how this became such a controversial topic
I'm no lawyer, so I can't be too precise in placing blame, but to my laymen eyes it seem reasonable to say both are at fault. The cyclist not only ran a red light, but he wasn't paying much attention. The motorist after hitting the cyclists just kept going.
When I first saw the video, I didn't think it would last too long, because it was so black and white, hence my first post: "I'm speechless". I didn't think I'd make another post on this; however, what caught my attention was that the driver is a city councilwoman. Who would of guessed That doesn't change the basic premise of the case here, but it does make it more interesting.
What I find very interesting is that the police may be helping the councilwoman to deceive the public. That's the real story here.
But as for all the bickering and splitting of hairs....I don't get it. The only answer that seems to make sense is that people are arguing with other people that they have a history with from other threads and want to continue attacking....I guess...
I'm no lawyer, so I can't be too precise in placing blame, but to my laymen eyes it seem reasonable to say both are at fault. The cyclist not only ran a red light, but he wasn't paying much attention. The motorist after hitting the cyclists just kept going.
When I first saw the video, I didn't think it would last too long, because it was so black and white, hence my first post: "I'm speechless". I didn't think I'd make another post on this; however, what caught my attention was that the driver is a city councilwoman. Who would of guessed That doesn't change the basic premise of the case here, but it does make it more interesting.
What I find very interesting is that the police may be helping the councilwoman to deceive the public. That's the real story here.
But as for all the bickering and splitting of hairs....I don't get it. The only answer that seems to make sense is that people are arguing with other people that they have a history with from other threads and want to continue attacking....I guess...
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I don't understand how this became such a controversial topic
I'm no lawyer, so I can't be too precise in placing blame, but to my laymen eyes it seem reasonable to say both are at fault. The cyclist not only ran a red light, but he wasn't paying much attention. The motorist after hitting the cyclists just kept going.
When I first saw the video, I didn't think it would last too long, because it was so black and white, hence my first post: "I'm speechless". I didn't think I'd make another post on this; however, what caught my attention was that the driver is a city councilwoman. Who would of guessed That doesn't change the basic premise of the case here, but it does make it more interesting.
What I find very interesting is that the police may be helping the councilwoman to deceive the public. That's the real story here.
But as for all the bickering and splitting of hairs....I don't get it. The only answer that seems to make sense is that people are arguing with other people that they have a history with from other threads and want to continue attacking....I guess...
I'm no lawyer, so I can't be too precise in placing blame, but to my laymen eyes it seem reasonable to say both are at fault. The cyclist not only ran a red light, but he wasn't paying much attention. The motorist after hitting the cyclists just kept going.
When I first saw the video, I didn't think it would last too long, because it was so black and white, hence my first post: "I'm speechless". I didn't think I'd make another post on this; however, what caught my attention was that the driver is a city councilwoman. Who would of guessed That doesn't change the basic premise of the case here, but it does make it more interesting.
What I find very interesting is that the police may be helping the councilwoman to deceive the public. That's the real story here.
But as for all the bickering and splitting of hairs....I don't get it. The only answer that seems to make sense is that people are arguing with other people that they have a history with from other threads and want to continue attacking....I guess...
Have you been to lousy cities? I think it is plausible she was scared to stop. We'll never know. Personally, I never ever go to cities like that unless I am forced to. Now, I also understand that others will be outraged of my opinion that north jersey has lousy and dangerous cities that I avoid at all costs.
I do not see all the hair splitting and bickering in this thread? Maybe because the three trolls are on my Iggie.
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We do not know why she ran. She was wrong. Politicians get special treatment, that is also wrong.
Have you been to lousy cities? I think it is plausible she was scared to stop. We'll never know. Personally, I never ever go to cities like that unless I am forced to. Now, I also understand that others will be outraged of my opinion that north jersey has lousy and dangerous cities that I avoid at all costs.
I do not see all the hair splitting and bickering in this thread? Maybe because the three trolls are on my Iggie.
Have you been to lousy cities? I think it is plausible she was scared to stop. We'll never know. Personally, I never ever go to cities like that unless I am forced to. Now, I also understand that others will be outraged of my opinion that north jersey has lousy and dangerous cities that I avoid at all costs.
I do not see all the hair splitting and bickering in this thread? Maybe because the three trolls are on my Iggie.
I think it's safe to say, she's preparing her defense and she just may make the claim about being afraid to stop, but the delay...that's harder to explain. I think it's safe to say, that if this was some regular joe, he/she would be treated much differently.
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Shocking to see people on a bike forum defending a hit and run. The fact that the cyclist ran a red light doesn't change anything. How would you like it if a car got you when you weren't paying attention and doing something stupid? If a clueless pedestrian walks out in front of you on the MUP are you entitled to hit them?
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If a cyclist ran a light and broadsided me in one of those lousy north jersey cities and it was clear the scofflaw was ok, I'd move up a few blocks to render assistance by calling 911 and await the cavalry there. Worst case the victim gets a couple of deserved 500 dollar tickets for running. She was probably scared of being mugged or jacked.
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True we don't know why she kept going. I'm from a lousy city (Washington DC), so I get that and it's possible. However, what I find fishy is that she, according to new reports, didn't report the accident until six hours later. And no one is answering the question: Did the police contact her about the accident or did she go in on her own?
I think it's safe to say, she's preparing her defense and she just may make the claim about being afraid to stop, but the delay...that's harder to explain. I think it's safe to say, that if this was some regular joe, he/she would be treated much differently.
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I think it's safe to say, she's preparing her defense and she just may make the claim about being afraid to stop, but the delay...that's harder to explain. I think it's safe to say, that if this was some regular joe, he/she would be treated much differently.
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I witnessed an egregious traffic violation by a school bus driver who totalled a kids car and he was hurt. No charges. I went to court three times as a witness, but they kept pushing the case for weird reasons. I lost many, many thousands of dollars in business going to court. Eventually, it was tried. They were going to give her a small ticket and then they say, oh.....is the witness here? I raise my hand and they take me into a back room with the government Prostitutor and the defendant's attorney. She should have had her license taken away and not be allowed to drive kids, but they just upped the fine a bit. I am sure she is still blowing lights, speeding, and crossing the center line. The council lady will get a deal. No question.
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The victim 100% absolutely should have stopped and called 911.
So shouldn't the cyclist who blew the light.
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I witnessed an egregious traffic violation by a school bus driver who totalled a kids car and he was hurt. No charges. I went to court three times as a witness, but they kept pushing the case for weird reasons. I lost many, many thousands of dollars in business going to court. Eventually, it was tried. They were going to give her a small ticket and then they say, oh.....is the witness here? I raise my hand and they take me into a back room with the government Prostitutor and the defendant's attorney. She should have had her license taken away and not be allowed to drive kids, but they just upped the fine a bit. I am sure she is still blowing lights, speeding, and crossing the center line. The council lady will get a deal. No question.
I witnessed an egregious traffic violation by a school bus driver who totalled a kids car and he was hurt. No charges. I went to court three times as a witness, but they kept pushing the case for weird reasons. I lost many, many thousands of dollars in business going to court. Eventually, it was tried. They were going to give her a small ticket and then they say, oh.....is the witness here? I raise my hand and they take me into a back room with the government Prostitutor and the defendant's attorney. She should have had her license taken away and not be allowed to drive kids, but they just upped the fine a bit. I am sure she is still blowing lights, speeding, and crossing the center line. The council lady will get a deal. No question.
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There could be a whole other thread on how to run red lights and all the ways this guy messed up but it would be besides the point. Thats a textbook hit and run, worse than a car vs car hit and run. Dude could have been killed
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People should take another look at the NJ law if they think that she didn't need to stop if he wasn't injured. It's also hit and run if any property is damaged, and that bike is clearly totaled.
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I don't understand how this became such a controversial topic....
....But as for all the bickering and splitting of hairs....I don't get it. The only answer that seems to make sense is that people are arguing with other people that they have a history with from other threads and want to continue attacking....I guess...
....But as for all the bickering and splitting of hairs....I don't get it. The only answer that seems to make sense is that people are arguing with other people that they have a history with from other threads and want to continue attacking....I guess...
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There are so many legally prescribed drugs out there that alter your driving abilities along with street drugs. I've seen commercial drivers quit their jobs instead of take a random test so they could protect their license. Not saying it is what happened, but six hours can clean a test up quite a bit.
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...let me make certain I understand this post, please. You are now calling the driver of the car "the victim" ? Do I have that right ? I had honestly forgotten how strangely some of these A+S topics get twisted into knots.
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You don't know that. I stood right up after that texting cop hit me, but I still needed physical therapy for soft tissue damage. At the time of the collision, the adrenaline greatly dulled the pain, so I had no way of knowing the full extent of my injuries.
Furthermore, NJ's hit-and-run statute merely increases the existing penalties for not stopping when there is physical injury. You're still on the hook if there is only property damage. No reasonable person would think there wasn't property damage after plowing through a bicycle at that speed.
Furthermore, NJ's hit-and-run statute merely increases the existing penalties for not stopping when there is physical injury. You're still on the hook if there is only property damage. No reasonable person would think there wasn't property damage after plowing through a bicycle at that speed.