Why I love tubeless
10-04-18, 04:40 AM
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When I lived in El Paso I might have been interested in tubeless because the wind blows all kinds of junk from the desert onto the roads. But it doesn't take but a couple of minutes to change a flat. I had Slime tubes once and they sucked, the valve stem kept clogging up. Threw them away after a couple of weeks. The only sealant I use now is Stans for my tubulars.
10-04-18, 05:59 AM
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whats wrong with mavic wheel sets they cheap and work , maybe i run my pro ones at too high a PSI and it causes flats , ive said before tubeless is great for cross or mtb at lower psis its almost a must now , but its really hard to run ROAD TUBELESS , lack of products being the main issue ...
10-04-18, 08:27 AM
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The biggest drawback to the Mavic tubeless system is that it doesn't necessarily play well with other tubeless products, so you're essentially locked in to their limited ecosystem (in addition, a lot of people are generally put off by their proprietary stuff which is harder to repair/replace).
10-04-18, 08:54 AM
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To counter this, I recently built a set of wheels using Mavic Open Pro UST rims and 2 rounds of tubeless rim tape and I was able to mount my tyres (Maxxis Padrone) by hand without levers, and inflate them first time with a track pump. This is the way it should be. If Mavic UST rims are manufactured to reliably tight tolerances and tyre manufacturers make tyres to fit the Mavic UST standard then easier fitting tubeless tyres should become the norm.
And which of Hutchison's tires are UST? They make a decent number of tubeless/tubeless ready tires, which seem to get pretty mixed reviews from what I've seen, but I'm not aware of any with the UST label. Maybe this has changed, but if not, the fact that Hutch makes Mavic's tires doesn't mean that they make their own tires to Mavic's standards. Frankly, even if they do have UST-compliant tires, that's still a limited ecosystem.
10-04-18, 09:14 AM
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I have a set of Cosmic Carbon Pro UST and I had nothing but problems with the Mavic (Hutchinson) tires. Had multiple flats with the sealant not sealing the tires. Finally got rid of them and also went with Maxxis Padrones. Have not had an issue since. The wheels are awesome, the tires.. Not so much.
10-04-18, 12:52 PM
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I was one of the problem children with my Hutchison Fusion's circa 2015 I think so I'm sure they've improved. Probably the most difficult tire installation I had ever had with tubeless and I've never really had any problems. They were also the first set of tires that I've owned where I could actually tell a difference from one tire type to the other. They felt heavy, and jarring. Total yucksville, I think I didn't even ride them through 600 miles before I just replaced them because it was bothering me so much. Again though, I'm sure that they make much better tires now, it's just that I like the selection of others more.
10-04-18, 10:28 PM
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I tried Hutchinson branded tires and they didn't play well with any of my tubeless Roval or Mavic wheels. The Mavic branded tires just always worked.
Hutchinson claims that they use "Road Tubeless", which is not the UST standard that Mavic started.
People say that they are the same, but they actually seem to fit differently.
Hutchinson claims that they use "Road Tubeless", which is not the UST standard that Mavic started.
People say that they are the same, but they actually seem to fit differently.
10-19-18, 02:12 AM
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thats my main issue when my pro ones work they are great and fast , but when they get a whole the only way to seal it is to dismount and put a patch on the inside , and thats a pain .
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When I lived in El Paso I might have been interested in tubeless because the wind blows all kinds of junk from the desert onto the roads. But it doesn't take but a couple of minutes to change a flat. I had Slime tubes once and they sucked, the valve stem kept clogging up. Threw them away after a couple of weeks. The only sealant I use now is Stans for my tubulars.
Tubeless or not ends up being a holy war for no reason with too many people. It’s not a religion. It’s not perfect or even close to perfect either. It’s as flawed as any other system. It has its uses and applications where it makes sense. It isn’t every application though. Sorry.
For sealants I have been on orange endurance for a long time. Not just as a user but in having to service a ton of wheels of all types. Just don’t forget - cool tire stuff = actually having to keep an eye on it . Check your sealant level often. Manufacturer guidelines are usually in the every 6-8 week range.
10-19-18, 08:31 AM
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If I had serious flat issues I would probably just run tubes with removable cores, like the Conti Race, and carry a little 2oz bottle of Stan's in my jersey pocket. I know for a fact it works great with tubulars. Squeeze in half the bottle, air it up and go. Clinchers should be no different.
10-19-18, 06:40 PM
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A tubeless tire with 3 holes in it stopped from leaking air by the sealant is good. Now, do you have to patch the tire at some point or just let it ride and hope the sealant continues to hold?
10-19-18, 08:32 PM
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I've never had to patch a puncture that successfully sealed (and the only punctures that I've had that have failed to seal were from slashes that would have totaled the tire regardless).
10-23-18, 05:26 AM
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Have used both. However by far the better kit is the Dynaplug one. Just be careful when you order replacement plugs on say Amazon and get the ones made for bicycles. The first set of replacement plugs I ordered were too long and had tom cut them. To me the bacon strips in the Genuine Innovation kit are a PIA.
10-23-18, 05:36 AM
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Have used both. However by far the better kit is the Dynaplug one. Just be careful when you order replacement plugs on say Amazon and get the ones made for bicycles. The first set of replacement plugs I ordered were too long and had tom cut them. To me the bacon strips in the Genuine Innovation kit are a PIA.
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Worth every penny and then some. The fix is less than 5 minutes with wheel on the bike and holds the remaining life of the tyre. I currently have 3 in my rear tyre with about 1500 miles on them. I know bad luck but someone thought it would be fun breaking a light bulb on the trail when when my tyres had about 50 mile son them.
10-23-18, 06:06 AM
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Worth every penny and then some. The fix is less than 5 minutes with wheel on the bike and holds the remaining life of the tyre. I currently have 3 in my rear tyre with about 1500 miles on them. I know bad luck but someone thought it would be fun breaking a light bulb on the trail when when my tyres had about 50 mile son them.
10-23-18, 09:53 AM
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Sorry just got back from my morning ride. When I was looking Amazon had the best price. You might also order a spare set of plugs at the same time as shipping take awhile.. Good luck.
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I'm looking at going with a set of Mavic USTs, from reading here I'll pick up a Dynaplug kit, $25 on Amazon, not bad. Can you boot a tubeless tire? I'm new to all of this, and from what I've read, booting is a patch between the tube and tire, will a patch stay on the tire without a tube to hold it in place? Just wondering if I should carry some patches with the plug kit?
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I'm looking at going with a set of Mavic USTs, from reading here I'll pick up a Dynaplug kit, $25 on Amazon, not bad. Can you boot a tubeless tire? I'm new to all of this, and from what I've read, booting is a patch between the tube and tire, will a patch stay on the tire without a tube to hold it in place? Just wondering if I should carry some patches with the plug kit?
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I'm looking at going with a set of Mavic USTs, from reading here I'll pick up a Dynaplug kit, $25 on Amazon, not bad. Can you boot a tubeless tire? I'm new to all of this, and from what I've read, booting is a patch between the tube and tire, will a patch stay on the tire without a tube to hold it in place? Just wondering if I should carry some patches with the plug kit?
11-14-18, 11:15 AM
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I don't use plugs because they have pulled out. I superglue the holes shut and for very large holes slap a patch on the inside. All during the ride. I've never switched to a tube during a ride, patches and superglue have always worked. I do carry a tube, mostly because my fellow riders are still using them.
11-14-18, 12:31 PM
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I don't use plugs because they have pulled out. I superglue the holes shut and for very large holes slap a patch on the inside. All during the ride. I've never switched to a tube during a ride, patches and superglue have always worked. I do carry a tube, mostly because my fellow riders are still using them.
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Are you talking about booting as a means to continue a ride/limp home with a cut that won't seal? If so, yes, you can boot it, but you would do so with a tube. If you want to be a self-sufficient rider, going tubeless doesn't meaningfully change the the stuff that you carry - you still want your multi-tool, tube, boot, pump, spare chain link, etc - but it does change the frequency with which you need to use that stuff.
I don't use plugs because they have pulled out. I superglue the holes shut and for very large holes slap a patch on the inside. All during the ride. I've never switched to a tube during a ride, patches and superglue have always worked. I do carry a tube, mostly because my fellow riders are still using them.
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I don't use plugs because they have pulled out. I superglue the holes shut and for very large holes slap a patch on the inside. All during the ride. I've never switched to a tube during a ride, patches and superglue have always worked. I do carry a tube, mostly because my fellow riders are still using them.
