Compressionless brake cable housing for derailleur too?
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Compressionless brake cable housing for derailleur too?
Hi all. I’m looking to replace my brake housing with compressionless housing (specific color as well)
im getting a 10m roll so there’s a lot.
wondering if this housing would also work for derailleur cables, considering derailleur cables are compressionless too.
I know the compressionless brake cable will be 5mm thick unlike the 4mm thick regular derailleur cables, but I don’t think that will be a problem with the cable stops in the frame in terms of that fit.
so would it work?
thanks.
im getting a 10m roll so there’s a lot.
wondering if this housing would also work for derailleur cables, considering derailleur cables are compressionless too.
I know the compressionless brake cable will be 5mm thick unlike the 4mm thick regular derailleur cables, but I don’t think that will be a problem with the cable stops in the frame in terms of that fit.
so would it work?
thanks.
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Yes, it should work if your setup isn't hindered by the limited flexibility of the housing. Under-bar tape routing on a road bike bar and the final piece to the rear derailleur may be problematic.
With linear strand housing, a quality ferrule (brass) and proper finishing of the cut ends will be needed.
With linear strand housing, a quality ferrule (brass) and proper finishing of the cut ends will be needed.
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Hi all. I’m looking to replace my brake housing with compressionless housing (specific color as well)
im getting a 10m roll so there’s a lot.
wondering if this housing would also work for derailleur cables, considering derailleur cables are compressionless too.
I know the compressionless brake cable will be 5mm thick unlike the 4mm thick regular derailleur cables, but I don’t think that will be a problem with the cable stops in the frame in terms of that fit.
so would it work?
thanks.
im getting a 10m roll so there’s a lot.
wondering if this housing would also work for derailleur cables, considering derailleur cables are compressionless too.
I know the compressionless brake cable will be 5mm thick unlike the 4mm thick regular derailleur cables, but I don’t think that will be a problem with the cable stops in the frame in terms of that fit.
so would it work?
thanks.
It might end up being easier to just get compressionless shift cable housing.
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For the piece to the RD, possibly run it a little longer than usual so get a larger curve between the chainstay stop and the RD. A general rule of thumb is that the entry into the RD adjuster should be relatively straight with no sharp angle. I've run older 5mm SIS housing and added about 30-40mm to what would be normal.
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great idea…this is going on a tandem and the 6600 with xtr rear derailleur shifts just great as is…this compressionless housing is being used because I’m looking to add a disc brake in the rear…
the reason for this question is because the housing color matches the frame….so why not make all the cables match?!?
I think this “upgrade” will be fruitful!
the reason for this question is because the housing color matches the frame….so why not make all the cables match?!?
I think this “upgrade” will be fruitful!
That works.
For the piece to the RD, possibly run it a little longer than usual so get a larger curve between the chainstay stop and the RD. A general rule of thumb is that the entry into the RD adjuster should be relatively straight with no sharp angle. I've run older 5mm SIS housing and added about 30-40mm to what would be normal.
For the piece to the RD, possibly run it a little longer than usual so get a larger curve between the chainstay stop and the RD. A general rule of thumb is that the entry into the RD adjuster should be relatively straight with no sharp angle. I've run older 5mm SIS housing and added about 30-40mm to what would be normal.
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Hi all. I’m looking to replace my brake housing with compressionless housing (specific color as well)
im getting a 10m roll so there’s a lot.
wondering if this housing would also work for derailleur cables, considering derailleur cables are compressionless too.
I know the compressionless brake cable will be 5mm thick unlike the 4mm thick regular derailleur cables, but I don’t think that will be a problem with the cable stops in the frame in terms of that fit.
so would it work?
thanks.
im getting a 10m roll so there’s a lot.
wondering if this housing would also work for derailleur cables, considering derailleur cables are compressionless too.
I know the compressionless brake cable will be 5mm thick unlike the 4mm thick regular derailleur cables, but I don’t think that will be a problem with the cable stops in the frame in terms of that fit.
so would it work?
thanks.
Almost All 4mm shift cable housing sold is "Compressionless", or Stranded Housing. find the kind with a teflon liner for smoother shift cable movement.
BRAKE cable housing is rarely "Compressionless ", Stranded... And it can be difficult to find at times. Many bike shops don't stock it... sad but true. A Quality Coiled Brake cable housing with Liner is almost as good and can be found, for a premium price. I use the Pro Jagwire Kits on my higher end builds. The Standard Jagwire housing is not as nice, but still better than Sunlite and many other brands.... Clark's is somewhere in between... I've bought some Defective housing before.. the OD was so small the end caps just fall right off, internal size varied enough to cause trouble, and there were actual defects in the coil alignments too. That "bargain" cost me time and cash... i was able to salvage about 50% of it.
While you CAN use brake housing for shift cables,it's not advised since it causes vague shifting and setup struggles.
Many Box store bikes used to use 5mm for shifting... they suck.
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You will not. Brake and shift ferrules have the same outside diameter and fit the same in frame stops.
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Yea, I'm going with Jagwire pro brake housing, which is their kevlar lined compressionless variety.
I've used them years ago, as they were formerly Jagwire "racer" housing/cable kits, but was unaware of the "compressionless" aspect of the brake housing at the time.
I've used them years ago, as they were formerly Jagwire "racer" housing/cable kits, but was unaware of the "compressionless" aspect of the brake housing at the time.
shift cable caps are the same outside diameter as brake cable caps... and the stops found on the frames/ders/calipers are the same ID...
Almost All 4mm shift cable housing sold is "Compressionless", or Stranded Housing. find the kind with a teflon liner for smoother shift cable movement.
BRAKE cable housing is rarely "Compressionless ", Stranded... And it can be difficult to find at times. Many bike shops don't stock it... sad but true. A Quality Coiled Brake cable housing with Liner is almost as good and can be found, for a premium price. I use the Pro Jagwire Kits on my higher end builds. The Standard Jagwire housing is not as nice, but still better than Sunlite and many other brands.... Clark's is somewhere in between... I've bought some Defective housing before.. the OD was so small the end caps just fall right off, internal size varied enough to cause trouble, and there were actual defects in the coil alignments too. That "bargain" cost me time and cash... i was able to salvage about 50% of it.
While you CAN use brake housing for shift cables,it's not advised since it causes vague shifting and setup struggles.
Many Box store bikes used to use 5mm for shifting... they suck.
Almost All 4mm shift cable housing sold is "Compressionless", or Stranded Housing. find the kind with a teflon liner for smoother shift cable movement.
BRAKE cable housing is rarely "Compressionless ", Stranded... And it can be difficult to find at times. Many bike shops don't stock it... sad but true. A Quality Coiled Brake cable housing with Liner is almost as good and can be found, for a premium price. I use the Pro Jagwire Kits on my higher end builds. The Standard Jagwire housing is not as nice, but still better than Sunlite and many other brands.... Clark's is somewhere in between... I've bought some Defective housing before.. the OD was so small the end caps just fall right off, internal size varied enough to cause trouble, and there were actual defects in the coil alignments too. That "bargain" cost me time and cash... i was able to salvage about 50% of it.
While you CAN use brake housing for shift cables,it's not advised since it causes vague shifting and setup struggles.
Many Box store bikes used to use 5mm for shifting... they suck.
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All of these statements are patently false. Compressionless BRAKE cable housing is not rare. Compressionless “stranded” housing is easy to find on line (I use Aican). And coiled housing is no where near as good as compressionless when it comes to improving braking efficiency and responsiveness—even with lining.
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Hi Troll.
Knock yourself out, troll. Are you gonna call me rude and REALLY get wound up now?
nice link to your source, btw.
You responded solely to attack me, and skipped helping in any way.
there are four shops near me(under 50 miles).. none of them stock compressionless brake cable housing.
Your rude opinion is noted..
Bye troll.
Knock yourself out, troll. Are you gonna call me rude and REALLY get wound up now?
nice link to your source, btw.
You responded solely to attack me, and skipped helping in any way.
there are four shops near me(under 50 miles).. none of them stock compressionless brake cable housing.
Your rude opinion is noted..
Bye troll.
OP, stick an old bit of brake housing with a ferrule on it in the frame's der cable stops, if it slides right in then it'll probably work, if its a tight fit then it may not work, and if it doesn't fit then obviously it won't work. I've done it with mixed results on fit. Every time it has fit I've been happy with the shifting results, just seems to have less resistance in the shifting.
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Varies, I'm building a mtb for a friend right now using cast off parts, which means cable disc brakes. I can tell you the 5mm housing does not fit in the frame cable stops and it isn't the first bike I've run into with this. der housing is 4mm while compressionless brake is 5mm, the ferrules are the same thickness which means at the different diameters the 5mm brake will be wider and may not fit. Also won't fit older campy rear der adjustment barrels from my experience. I've got aluminum ferrules that are a little thinner to help the problem though they're not a perfect solution, but jagwire ships with plastic.
But it doesn't change that you were wrong, compressionless housing is noticeably better than spiral wound housing especially on disc brakes. spiral isn't close enough. Set up the same brakes with the different housing and you can even see a difference in how the housing moves in response to the compression or nar lack of compression. And not finding it at your local shops just doesn't speak well of your local shops. I can buy it at the 3 closest I use in multiple colors, they're sold as shimano or jagwire pro replacement kits, comes with two cables and enough housing to outfit a bike's shifting system. I tend to buy it buy the roll as a money saver.
OP, stick an old bit of brake housing with a ferrule on it in the frame's der cable stops, if it slides right in then it'll probably work, if its a tight fit then it may not work, and if it doesn't fit then obviously it won't work. I've done it with mixed results on fit. Every time it has fit I've been happy with the shifting results, just seems to have less resistance in the shifting.
But it doesn't change that you were wrong, compressionless housing is noticeably better than spiral wound housing especially on disc brakes. spiral isn't close enough. Set up the same brakes with the different housing and you can even see a difference in how the housing moves in response to the compression or nar lack of compression. And not finding it at your local shops just doesn't speak well of your local shops. I can buy it at the 3 closest I use in multiple colors, they're sold as shimano or jagwire pro replacement kits, comes with two cables and enough housing to outfit a bike's shifting system. I tend to buy it buy the roll as a money saver.
OP, stick an old bit of brake housing with a ferrule on it in the frame's der cable stops, if it slides right in then it'll probably work, if its a tight fit then it may not work, and if it doesn't fit then obviously it won't work. I've done it with mixed results on fit. Every time it has fit I've been happy with the shifting results, just seems to have less resistance in the shifting.
and, to review.. the OP has already decided to take my advice and order up the excellent Jagwire Cable kit.
NEXT!.
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Varies, I'm building a mtb for a friend right now using cast off parts, which means cable disc brakes. I can tell you the 5mm housing does not fit in the frame cable stops and it isn't the first bike I've run into with this. der housing is 4mm while compressionless brake is 5mm, the ferrules are the same thickness which means at the different diameters the 5mm brake will be wider and may not fit. Also won't fit older campy rear der adjustment barrels from my experience. I've got aluminum ferrules that are a little thinner to help the problem though they're not a perfect solution, but jagwire ships with plastic.
These are typical MTB top tube cable stops, sold by Nova Cycles, a frame building supplier. The three holes, designed for the rear brake and two derailleurs, are all the same size. Nova doesn't even give specs for their cable stops - because all of them are the same ID. You use them interchangeably.
I have no idea what kind of stuff you encountered, but modern cable stops are pretty standardized. This is certainly true as it pertains to the OP.
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Hi Troll.
Knock yourself out, troll. Are you gonna call me rude and REALLY get wound up now?
nice link to your source, btw.
You responded solely to attack me, and skipped helping in any way.
there are four shops near me(under 50 miles).. none of them stock compressionless brake cable housing.
Your rude opinion is noted..
PS.. the Thread starter already chose to follow my advise and shop for the Jagwire kit.
You offered him nothing except your Rude reply to me.
Nice work!
Bye troll.
Knock yourself out, troll. Are you gonna call me rude and REALLY get wound up now?
nice link to your source, btw.
You responded solely to attack me, and skipped helping in any way.
there are four shops near me(under 50 miles).. none of them stock compressionless brake cable housing.
Your rude opinion is noted..
PS.. the Thread starter already chose to follow my advise and shop for the Jagwire kit.
You offered him nothing except your Rude reply to me.
Nice work!
Bye troll.
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Let’s stop with the insults and stick with helping the OP. It’s a question with some good reposes that other members may find useful and informative.
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I think it was when I got Jag-wire compressionless brake cable, but I can’t remember. Something I bought came with a bunch of ferrules, some were necked down so I could use them in shifters.
I don’t actually remember if I used them this way. I do remember the ferrules though. So at least one other person has thought about it.
I don’t actually remember if I used them this way. I do remember the ferrules though. So at least one other person has thought about it.
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All of these statements are patently false. Compressionless BRAKE cable housing is not rare. Compressionless “stranded” housing is easy to find on line (I use Aican). And coiled housing is no where near as good as compressionless when it comes to improving braking efficiency and responsiveness—even with lining.
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You are correct, but until the other poster came into the fray, no one had bothered to observe that shift cable housing has essentially been 'compressionless' since index shifting. Maybe before. So I'm giving them that. O.p. premise was bound to pit practical types vs go for it types. I am (slowly) learning to stay away those kinds of doomed discussions.
OP should also be aware that compressionless brake housing is something like 40% lighter than standard coiled housing.
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I think it was when I got Jag-wire compressionless brake cable, but I can’t remember. Something I bought came with a bunch of ferrules, some were necked down so I could use them in shifters.
I don’t actually remember if I used them this way. I do remember the ferrules though. So at least one other person has thought about it.
I don’t actually remember if I used them this way. I do remember the ferrules though. So at least one other person has thought about it.
Since then, I've started a family with multiple kids and the time required to build bikes and experiment has diminished significantly! Hence the question as I need to be most efficient with my time when I'm wrenching!
Thank you all. I'm going to go ahead and try it out and I'll report back in a few weeks (assuming I've made the switch by then!)
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I think the most absurd thing I did as a hurried dad was reinstalling my Campy cranks less than (more than?) 180 degrees apart. Didn’t realize it at first and went on several rides before noticing.
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For a few years already I use the same TRLREQ bamboo/bead housing both for brakes and shift cables, this now on 6 bikes and counting. I had problems only with Shimano in-line adjusters that I had to drill to accommodate the beads wider than standard diameter for shift cables. With that housing I got rid of ferrules and other cable junk of this type. Given that the housing accommodates both shift and brake cables, I started using a brake cable for one of the derailleurs on a folder, that required a higher tension. I only needed to file a bit the cable stop.
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Long Island, NY, v. Rural NW Oregon. need i say more? but why attack MY OPINION?..i've had some great spiral wound housing... it came from factories that understand quality control better than chinese sweat shops bent on squeezing every penny out of every worker. Try just posting your own opinion next time, ok?calling someone else's opinion WRONG is WRONG. and you may want to measure some cable housing caps some time.... the ones i have here range from 5.6 to 6mm OD, shift and brake ID.. and they fit in any stop on two MTB frames and one road frame tested.(KHS, Giant, Trek.)
and, to review.. the OP has already decided to take my advice and order up the excellent Jagwire Cable kit.
NEXT!.
and, to review.. the OP has already decided to take my advice and order up the excellent Jagwire Cable kit.
NEXT!.
So those aren't necessarily compressionless housing ferrules, and you need to watch that they strands in the housing are completely covered by the ferrule and not visible through the hole, or just like can happen with der housing the strands can come out, I know this from experience and have witnessed the issue with poorly fitted ferrules on brake and der. The issue is less so with brake I suspect, as it tends to come with the appropriate caps, none of which, in either of my 10m rolls of jagwire housing, were actually made of metal, they were plastic making them thicker than the cheap metals ones you're talking about.
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pro color/ $36. roll.
if you can live with blue this is a great bargain.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N3007DM...ding=UTF8&th=1
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To rectify something I was accused of not doing (by someone who didn't provide a link):
Here's a link to eBay for Aican compressionless ("Superlight") housing. Kevlar wrapped aluminum and steel wires. Several colors available. Probably about the same as Jagwire, but cheaper (for those of us who have kids and who have kids in college!). It's been awesome for me.
Aican Housing on eBay
Here's a link to eBay for Aican compressionless ("Superlight") housing. Kevlar wrapped aluminum and steel wires. Several colors available. Probably about the same as Jagwire, but cheaper (for those of us who have kids and who have kids in college!). It's been awesome for me.
Aican Housing on eBay
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So those aren't necessarily compressionless housing ferrules, and you need to watch that they strands in the housing are completely covered by the ferrule and not visible through the hole, or just like can happen with der housing the strands can come out, I know this from experience and have witnessed the issue with poorly fitted ferrules on brake and der. The issue is less so with brake I suspect, as it tends to come with the appropriate caps, none of which, in either of my 10m rolls of jagwire housing, were actually made of metal, they were plastic making them thicker than the cheap metals ones you're talking about.
There are also the POP ferrules, which are stepped on the end. But the step is to make the terminus of the housing 5mm to fit into calipers like Shimano that are designed for bare housing going into the adjusting barrel. Every other cable stop on a bike is the same universal outer diameter whether it is on the frame or at the derailleur barrel.