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Originally Posted by genejockey;[url=tel:23189488
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New Escape 3.0l has a misfire and is throwing codes P0202 and P0302. 202 is a cylinder 2 injector circuit specific fault where 302 is a general cylinder 2 misfire.
My buddy seems to think it might not actually be a bad injector and may be a bad ignition coil or plug causing a different fault, but I wanted to ask the hive-mind here.
I don't know if the plugs have been replaced, it's at 118k and scheduled replacement is 90k. This afternoon I'm planning on popping the intake manifold off and poking around & checking connections & plugs. I have an injector and plugs and may pick up a coil just in case. Any thoughts on even messing around with the coil pack when it seems the 202 specifically indicates an injector issue?
My buddy seems to think it might not actually be a bad injector and may be a bad ignition coil or plug causing a different fault, but I wanted to ask the hive-mind here.
I don't know if the plugs have been replaced, it's at 118k and scheduled replacement is 90k. This afternoon I'm planning on popping the intake manifold off and poking around & checking connections & plugs. I have an injector and plugs and may pick up a coil just in case. Any thoughts on even messing around with the coil pack when it seems the 202 specifically indicates an injector issue?
If it's a P0202 it's probably not a coil or spark plug. Take the connector off the injector and see if it's corroded. Before you do that, wiggle it around while idling and see if it starts/stops misfiring.
You could check the resistance of the injector and compare it to the others. You could also switch the injector with another cylinder and see if the misfire follows the injector.
If it's misfiring all the time you could check the circuit with a test light, should be blinking at a idle. If it's intermittent it could be the injector, the wiring, or the computer.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets;[url=tel:23189517
Edit: And it looks like one of those weird quotes again. Yours too.
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New Escape 3.0l has a misfire and is throwing codes P0202 and P0302. 202 is a cylinder 2 injector circuit specific fault where 302 is a general cylinder 2 misfire.
My buddy seems to think it might not actually be a bad injector and may be a bad ignition coil or plug causing a different fault, but I wanted to ask the hive-mind here.
I don't know if the plugs have been replaced, it's at 118k and scheduled replacement is 90k. This afternoon I'm planning on popping the intake manifold off and poking around & checking connections & plugs. I have an injector and plugs and may pick up a coil just in case. Any thoughts on even messing around with the coil pack when it seems the 202 specifically indicates an injector issue?
My buddy seems to think it might not actually be a bad injector and may be a bad ignition coil or plug causing a different fault, but I wanted to ask the hive-mind here.
I don't know if the plugs have been replaced, it's at 118k and scheduled replacement is 90k. This afternoon I'm planning on popping the intake manifold off and poking around & checking connections & plugs. I have an injector and plugs and may pick up a coil just in case. Any thoughts on even messing around with the coil pack when it seems the 202 specifically indicates an injector issue?
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03-20-24, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr;[url=tel:23189794
23189794[/url]]In the spirit of the new Addiction Pills & Ills, I have three doc appointments starting with annual wellness check at my family doc followed by labs, doc and injection treatment at the cancer center. Follow that up tomorrow with my 36th eye penetration. Good thing it’s cold out or I’d be miffed about not being able to ride.
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Is it actually misfiring? All the time or only under a load? Does it idle smooth or does it idle with a miss?
If it's a P0202 it's probably not a coil or spark plug. Take the connector off the injector and see if it's corroded. Before you do that, wiggle it around while idling and see if it starts/stops misfiring.
You could check the resistance of the injector and compare it to the others. You could also switch the injector with another cylinder and see if the misfire follows the injector.
If it's misfiring all the time you could check the circuit with a test light, should be blinking at a idle. If it's intermittent it could be the injector, the wiring, or the computer.
If it's a P0202 it's probably not a coil or spark plug. Take the connector off the injector and see if it's corroded. Before you do that, wiggle it around while idling and see if it starts/stops misfiring.
You could check the resistance of the injector and compare it to the others. You could also switch the injector with another cylinder and see if the misfire follows the injector.
If it's misfiring all the time you could check the circuit with a test light, should be blinking at a idle. If it's intermittent it could be the injector, the wiring, or the computer.
P0202 is an injector circuit fault, so chasing that by installing a coil won't help that fault. Of course, that's on the back bank, middle, so likely the most difficult of all to get to. For the layman, a wiggle test on the connector itself, if it's possible to get to. A tech worth anything would use an oscilloscope and a current probe, pull the injector fuse, install a fused jumper, and get a pattern.
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Definitely a misfire, rough idle but doesn't die. The thing that makes it especially fun is that it only misfires on cold start. If the engine warms up and it's driven a little bit then left to sit everything is happy and no DTC codes thrown.
Thanks, I grabbed a coil just in case but I'll be more than happy to return it. I've got to do this in my driveway tonight so my wife can get to work the rest of the week, so hopefully a new injector fixes it. I'll clean all contacts on the injectors and take a look at the harness assembly since I've got to take the whole damn thing apart anyways. Why does it always have to be the hardest one to get to?
Thanks, I grabbed a coil just in case but I'll be more than happy to return it. I've got to do this in my driveway tonight so my wife can get to work the rest of the week, so hopefully a new injector fixes it. I'll clean all contacts on the injectors and take a look at the harness assembly since I've got to take the whole damn thing apart anyways. Why does it always have to be the hardest one to get to?
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Perhaps some of the call girls have something communicable that the healers can help with, or the psychics help you avoid?
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Definitely a misfire, rough idle but doesn't die. The thing that makes it especially fun is that it only misfires on cold start. If the engine warms up and it's driven a little bit then left to sit everything is happy and no DTC codes thrown.
Thanks, I grabbed a coil just in case but I'll be more than happy to return it. I've got to do this in my driveway tonight so my wife can get to work the rest of the week, so hopefully a new injector fixes it. I'll clean all contacts on the injectors and take a look at the harness assembly since I've got to take the whole damn thing apart anyways. Why does it always have to be the hardest one to get to?
Thanks, I grabbed a coil just in case but I'll be more than happy to return it. I've got to do this in my driveway tonight so my wife can get to work the rest of the week, so hopefully a new injector fixes it. I'll clean all contacts on the injectors and take a look at the harness assembly since I've got to take the whole damn thing apart anyways. Why does it always have to be the hardest one to get to?
The upside is it's not a cat damaging misfire.
I was careful not to go more than three paragraphs in my diag/explanation. I didn't want anyone to go cross-eyed whilst reading any of it.
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Nice ride out there today. Tightened the brakes on my TT rig which helped a lot in getting down to the island. I think the pad compound is super soft - gotta switch back to Reynold blue.
Ran into a teammate and fellow TTT participant. We rode 20' side by side chatting, mostly in aero. He had to leave and I felt good so I did another 10' into z4, one notch below ITT race pace. Got home without incident.
Next week it will be time to put some actual efforts in on this thing!
Ran into a teammate and fellow TTT participant. We rode 20' side by side chatting, mostly in aero. He had to leave and I felt good so I did another 10' into z4, one notch below ITT race pace. Got home without incident.
Next week it will be time to put some actual efforts in on this thing!
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Nice ride out there today. Tightened the brakes on my TT rig which helped a lot in getting down to the island. I think the pad compound is super soft - gotta switch back to Reynold blue.
Ran into a teammate and fellow TTT participant. We rode 20' side by side chatting, mostly in aero. He had to leave and I felt good so I did another 10' into z4, one notch below ITT race pace. Got home without incident.
Next week it will be time to put some actual efforts in on this thing!
Ran into a teammate and fellow TTT participant. We rode 20' side by side chatting, mostly in aero. He had to leave and I felt good so I did another 10' into z4, one notch below ITT race pace. Got home without incident.
Next week it will be time to put some actual efforts in on this thing!
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I guess I haven't been following ultra trailrunning news very closely.
Anyone who hasn't seen the documentary yet should make a point to.
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Day 1 of a 7 day trip. Today already sucked, and just got bad news. Still time for that news to turn around but doesn’t look good.
I did find a power meter in Austin for 215.00. Ultegra stages, will work with my GRX. Price is good, description is new in the box, I guess I am just a little leary. Can’t test it, and worries it could be a lemon.
I did find a power meter in Austin for 215.00. Ultegra stages, will work with my GRX. Price is good, description is new in the box, I guess I am just a little leary. Can’t test it, and worries it could be a lemon.
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