Dave Scott Centurion Ironman?
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It's clearly not worth trying to convince him.
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Here you go. Top models from 83-85. The Turbos are under 21lbs even with the triples and big cassettes. Storming Of Thunder Ridge mode. The Prestige is under 20. No carbon at all and heavy(but comfortable) saddles. I also have an 85 IM and an 87 Asian market Dave Scott Master. Because of licensing conflicts, the IM name was not used in Asia. The only common frames are the 2 Turbos. The IM frames are a little less aggressive geometry.
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My point being that the Dave Scott Centurion Ironman (or wahtever it's official name was) was a repainted exiisting Centurion road frame marketed to triatheletes (that spelling can't be right, but since lazy is my point here...), at a time when bikes specifically designed for time trialing had existed for several years. I did a few tris back then, and did fairly well. Does anyone remember the Cinelli LA 84 bars?...
BTW, AFAICT in 1990, that's what Lemond road for the TdF TTs - the staggered wheels are gone.
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My understanding was staggered wheels were more a thing for the TTT, where it allowed you to get a few inches closer to the draft while also having a 700c rear for top-end gearing. For triathlon the need to carry both tube sizes in exchange for... nothing. I know it was done for a bit, maybe because that was what the cyclists did, but staggered wheels didn't even have the effect of lowering the rider the way 650c front and rear did.
Which, I'm told, isn't a measurable effect, but dammit it looks significant.
Which, I'm told, isn't a measurable effect, but dammit it looks significant.
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Of the Centurion's I talked about/own, the IMs has the longest TT. I can't remember about the chain stays. Probably longer also. All are 56s except the Prestige(54). The Prestige is 54 square. The Turbos are like 55.5 square. The IM have 56.5 TTs. Centurion's ST are measured from the BB center to the lowest part of the top of the ST lug. Seems like Lemond bikes have longer than normal TTs as well.
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It has been brought to my attention, by the former BF's Godfather of Centurion IMs no less, that an 88 IM make an appearance in the Reacher series. Season 2 Episode 1, around 49 minutes in.