Finally, a cop shop taking heat for bad investigation of cyclists collisions
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Finally, a cop shop taking heat for bad investigation of cyclists collisions
SFPD has long had a reputation for refusing to take police reports unless the cyclist had to ride in an ambulance.
Their lack of caring for cyclist deaths now has a light shown on it.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...-investigated/
Their lack of caring for cyclist deaths now has a light shown on it.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...-investigated/
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SFPD is by no means unique in this. In fact I would say that they are only being normal and this is the default situation in most PDs. As far as I'm concerned this is "par for the course". Not saying its right, just saying this is how it is normally and anything better is the exception.
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SFPD is by no means unique in this. In fact I would say that they are only being normal and this is the default situation in most PDs. As far as I'm concerned this is "par for the course". Not saying its right, just saying this is how it is normally and anything better is the exception.
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Sometimes it's not just cyclists. My wife and I were involved in a motor vehicle on motor vehicle collisoin during rush hour. We phoned the police to report it. We were asked if anyone was in need of medical attention(no), if we were blocking a traffic lane(we had moved off the road) and if there was any disagreement regarding fault (there was but the operator determined that could be decided by the insurers). We were informed that no officer would be attending and if we insisted we could report to the station to fill out a report.
SOP, in some areas regardless of whether one is on a bicycle or not.
SOP, in some areas regardless of whether one is on a bicycle or not.
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Too bad a person had to die before the SFPD was forced to change. But it seems to be pretty much the country over, killing a cyclist seems to be no big deal. As I have posted before a judges wife here in Lincoln ran over a cyclist and killed him, and the Co Att didnt even file charges.
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Sometimes it's not just cyclists. My wife and I were involved in a motor vehicle on motor vehicle collisoin during rush hour. We phoned the police to report it. We were asked if anyone was in need of medical attention(no), if we were blocking a traffic lane(we had moved off the road) and if there was any disagreement regarding fault (there was but the operator determined that could be decided by the insurers). We were informed that no officer would be attending and if we insisted we could report to the station to fill out a report.
SOP, in some areas regardless of whether one is on a bicycle or not.
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I'm glad their taking heat. As other have stated this is pretty much expected standard operating procedure for many departments. The NYPD has taken this a step further. Sometimes their investigation after a fatal car vs cyclist collision is to ask the driver what happened since he or she is still alive they must know, driver blames cyclist, cops put that in the report and call it a day.
The NYPD is taking a hell of a lot of heat for their lackadaisical approach to collision investigation. However, they show no sign of changing. Many people seem to have faith that Bill De Blasio. He has unfortunately backed away from cyclist safety after winning the mayoral primary and I haven't heard any mention of this after winning the election. While his appointed police commissioner William Bratton has paid lip service to street safety he seems way more concerned with jaywalking then cyclist safety. Even if he wanted to do something so many NYPD officers don't care about cyclists or see them as an easy and safe way to hit their ticket quotas that I doubt he can do much. I wish San Francisco all the luck in the world in reforming the SFPD but I really don't believe police departments that have shown such indifference or hostility towards members of their community can be reformed without first being reconstructed from the ground up.
The NYPD is taking a hell of a lot of heat for their lackadaisical approach to collision investigation. However, they show no sign of changing. Many people seem to have faith that Bill De Blasio. He has unfortunately backed away from cyclist safety after winning the mayoral primary and I haven't heard any mention of this after winning the election. While his appointed police commissioner William Bratton has paid lip service to street safety he seems way more concerned with jaywalking then cyclist safety. Even if he wanted to do something so many NYPD officers don't care about cyclists or see them as an easy and safe way to hit their ticket quotas that I doubt he can do much. I wish San Francisco all the luck in the world in reforming the SFPD but I really don't believe police departments that have shown such indifference or hostility towards members of their community can be reformed without first being reconstructed from the ground up.
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In SFPD's case, this could be the long awaited first step in that reconstruction process.
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I hope so but I really don't believe they are going to do a proper reconstruction. Low ranking patrolman operate with such disregard because they are allowed to by their sergeants, lieutenants, captains ect, ect. Unless they're willing to fire a large part of their senior brass they will revert to old ways soon enough.
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I hope so but I really don't believe they are going to do a proper reconstruction. Low ranking patrolman operate with such disregard because they are allowed to by their sergeants, lieutenants, captains ect, ect. Unless they're willing to fire a large part of their senior brass they will revert to old ways soon enough.
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Sometimes it's not just cyclists. My wife and I were involved in a motor vehicle on motor vehicle collisoin during rush hour. We phoned the police to report it. We were asked if anyone was in need of medical attention(no), if we were blocking a traffic lane(we had moved off the road) and if there was any disagreement regarding fault (there was but the operator determined that could be decided by the insurers). We were informed that no officer would be attending and if we insisted we could report to the station to fill out a report.
SOP, in some areas regardless of whether one is on a bicycle or not.
SOP, in some areas regardless of whether one is on a bicycle or not.
The only problem I have with that (including in a bike/car collision) is that it wasn't a clear answer that there was no disagreement about who was at fault. If it was a clear "no" answer to all three of those questions then I would have no problem with police prioritizing for other more important calls then a traffic collision with a triple-no answer to those questions (assuming there are more important calls or a reason to sustain a minimum reserve, now on the other hand if everyone is down at the station with their feet up on their desks twiddling their thumbs that would be different).
I pray for the day when a cyclist can always insist on going down to the station and filling out a report and actually having full access to that option and it not being denied to him/her. Can't even count on that with a bike/car collision or even a bike/ANYthing-else collision including bike/bike and bike/ped.
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I'm in no way refuting that often cyclists don't get a fair shake. Simply pointing out that it's not only cyclists that suffer as a consequence of some of the standing orders that seem to exist. In the instance above, neither of our insurance companies were pleased with the fact that there was no police establish fault and ended up covering their own insured. When it should have been a cut and dried case of one vehicle being at fault.
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They just leave it to the insurance companies to sort out.
They are doing the same thing with bike accidents if there isn't an injury.
So was the truck driver ticketed-?
What was it for-violation?
No criminal charges-usual story if not drunk or if it isn't intentional(road rage)
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Keep in mind that the very first Critical Mass was in SF in part due to SFPDs handling of bike/car collisions. If I recall correctly, one of the big collisions was between a cabbie and a messenger.
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20 years ago, cyclist numbers in SF was smaller, with today's cyclist numbers and with even more people with political and legal clout on board , SFPD cannot easily sidestep this issue as in years past.
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Originally Posted by OP's link
Supervisor Scott Wiener placed the bicycle issue on the Public Safety Committee agenda because of the outcry over how Moullac’s death was investigated.
“In general, I think they take these accidents very seriously,” he said, referring to police. Wiener said he believes San Francisco police officers generally act properly when responding to bicycle crashes.
“In general, I think they take these accidents very seriously,” he said, referring to police. Wiener said he believes San Francisco police officers generally act properly when responding to bicycle crashes.
Currently SF takes public nudity more seriously than dangerous driving. In fact, since the passage of the Weiner Bill, they have taken a zero-tolerance approach to nudity. Imagine how safe the streets would be if they took that same zero-tolerance approach to traffic law.
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And then there was that little incident where a trucker killed a messenger with a 2X4 because he was angry that a group of messengers were riding too slowly. They were on their way back from a colleagues funeral; the colleague had been killed by a motorist. (I don't think any charges were ever filed against either killer, but it has been a while, so I can't be certain.)
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And then there was that little incident where a trucker killed a messenger with a 2X4 because he was angry that a group of messengers were riding too slowly. They were on their way back from a colleagues funeral; the colleague had been killed by a motorist. (I don't think any charges were ever filed against either killer, but it has been a while, so I can't be certain.)
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In the DC-Metro region, depending on how far I bike, I have to contend with the ignorant policies of the state police(Maryland and Virginia), county police(Montgomery, Frederick), city police(Gaithersburg, Rockville, Takoma Park, Alexandria, Falls Church, Fairfax), and government police(Montgomery County Sheriff, Frederick County Sheriff, National Institutes of Health). I have to contend with all those jurisdictions(not daily), any one of which could have a hostile policy towards cyclists'. Now it makes me want to look into it.
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