Miyata Heirarchy
06-25-06, 04:48 PM
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Miyata Heirarchy
** this is a repost from the wrong forum **
Hey all,
I've been researching Miyatas quite a bit but can't quite figure out where it all ranks. I know generally higher = better, but is there more to it? I hear a lot about the 1000, but is the 1400 better? It doesn't look like it. Is the 912 better than the 610? I know the 610 and the 1000 are both touring bikes. So can anyone rank these bikes properly? 1400, 1000, 912, 610, 512, 210, 110, 90, etc... I've seen stuff like https://beauty.nagog.smasher.net:81/b...ta/index.shtml but none of them are complete. I'm sure T-mar could complete this in his sleep... I also know that list I made probably isn't complete. Also it seems they do a trend with 10s and 20s. Is 10 touring and 12 road? Also is the 1400 better than the 1000 or 610 which I generally gather are really good? I have the feeling the 1400 just came later and isn't as good and just got a higher number for being made later. Also I should mention that I want to use it for fixed gear conversion/city riding, so if one of those is esp. good for that type of riding I'd love to know.
Any help is always appreciated... Thanks,
Kyle
Hey all,
I've been researching Miyatas quite a bit but can't quite figure out where it all ranks. I know generally higher = better, but is there more to it? I hear a lot about the 1000, but is the 1400 better? It doesn't look like it. Is the 912 better than the 610? I know the 610 and the 1000 are both touring bikes. So can anyone rank these bikes properly? 1400, 1000, 912, 610, 512, 210, 110, 90, etc... I've seen stuff like https://beauty.nagog.smasher.net:81/b...ta/index.shtml but none of them are complete. I'm sure T-mar could complete this in his sleep... I also know that list I made probably isn't complete. Also it seems they do a trend with 10s and 20s. Is 10 touring and 12 road? Also is the 1400 better than the 1000 or 610 which I generally gather are really good? I have the feeling the 1400 just came later and isn't as good and just got a higher number for being made later. Also I should mention that I want to use it for fixed gear conversion/city riding, so if one of those is esp. good for that type of riding I'd love to know.
Any help is always appreciated... Thanks,
Kyle
06-25-06, 06:28 PM
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For 1984....
The pro bikes (in descending order) were...
Team Miyata-SL
Team Miyata
Pro Miyata
The road bikes....
912
710
310
110
100
90
Sport-10
Sport Junior
And the touring bikes....
1000
610
210
They also made "All terrain" and BMX bikes that year.
The pro bikes (in descending order) were...
Team Miyata-SL
Team Miyata
Pro Miyata
The road bikes....
912
710
310
110
100
90
Sport-10
Sport Junior
And the touring bikes....
1000
610
210
They also made "All terrain" and BMX bikes that year.
06-25-06, 07:51 PM
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I love you! (Now I just hope you're not a guy.)
Can you enlighten me at all about the 1400? I know it is a bit later, like 1989, and that it's a bit more race-ey and stiff compared to the 512 based on T-Mar's comments in this thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ht=miyata+1400
Other than that I find it hard to find info on the internet. He says it's 5th from the top, or 2nd if you eliminate carbon frames, so that means that maybe it's even better than the 1000? What really matters is that it's quick and fun for city riding, and I think the 1400 sounds better than a touring bike like the 1000 for that purpose.
Thanks again Miyata610, you rock... I've been refreshing this page a thousand times.
[edit: also I'm curious what kind of steel is used... I know it's triple butted/splined cro-mo, but is it Ishikawa? That's my guess, but you never know... also if so, 21, 19, or 17? I think 19 or 17 would rock cause I'm only 130 lbs.]
Can you enlighten me at all about the 1400? I know it is a bit later, like 1989, and that it's a bit more race-ey and stiff compared to the 512 based on T-Mar's comments in this thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ht=miyata+1400
Other than that I find it hard to find info on the internet. He says it's 5th from the top, or 2nd if you eliminate carbon frames, so that means that maybe it's even better than the 1000? What really matters is that it's quick and fun for city riding, and I think the 1400 sounds better than a touring bike like the 1000 for that purpose.
Thanks again Miyata610, you rock... I've been refreshing this page a thousand times.
[edit: also I'm curious what kind of steel is used... I know it's triple butted/splined cro-mo, but is it Ishikawa? That's my guess, but you never know... also if so, 21, 19, or 17? I think 19 or 17 would rock cause I'm only 130 lbs.]
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LOL.
Sorry, I only have hard data for 1984 because that's the sales catalog I have from when I bought my 1984 Miyata 610.
Good luck with your search.
And yes I am a guy, happily married, sorry.
Sorry, I only have hard data for 1984 because that's the sales catalog I have from when I bought my 1984 Miyata 610.
Good luck with your search.
And yes I am a guy, happily married, sorry.
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Miyata made their own tubing, as well as making some for other companies.
06-26-06, 06:27 AM
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The 1000 is a full-dress tourer (and a very nice one), while the 1400 is a racing-type bike. It should be quite nimble in an urban enviorment. In terms of quality the 1400 is up near the top.
As stated, Miyata rolled their own tubing, and made frames for other companies (notably Univega). They are quite well thought of.
Top
(who rides a 512 and a Triplecross).
As stated, Miyata rolled their own tubing, and made frames for other companies (notably Univega). They are quite well thought of.
Top
(who rides a 512 and a Triplecross).
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kyledr:
You might want to copy & save this illustration showing the interior splines on Miyata's triple butted tubing. It was posted somewhere previously on BF. Don
You might want to copy & save this illustration showing the interior splines on Miyata's triple butted tubing. It was posted somewhere previously on BF. Don
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Originally Posted by Elev12k
Could somebody tell what's the difference between a Team and Team SL ????
The Team SL was campy super record (but with a suntour cluster) and the Team was Shimano Dura-Ace EX.
edit... and the team sl has a black head and the team has a gold head. Both are bright blue otherwise.
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Merckx and Miyata
Hi, concerning Miyata's history: Have any of you guys seen the photo of Merckx at the Miyata factory? I found one late one night on a Google search. I think I still have it. I 'll try to find it and post it. The article with the photo had Merckx on a red and white Miyata built road bike.
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I have a Pro Miyata that dates to 81-82 from the numbers on the components. It's blue, and has the Suntour Superbe group. A very nice bike, I just got it into riding condition.
The only downside is the very tall gearing, 12-22 in the back and a typical-for-the-period 52/42 crank.
At 200 pounds, this is a mite tall for me.
The only downside is the very tall gearing, 12-22 in the back and a typical-for-the-period 52/42 crank.
At 200 pounds, this is a mite tall for me.
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Cresta?
Where does the cresta fit in? i just had one given to me it needs alot of work but seems to be a good enough bike to be worth it. It has sun tour mountech parts, 27 inch wheels and centerpull brakes. Seems to be a touring bike. sorry I Got my japanese bike confused I meant Nishiki.
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See post #4 of https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...yata+Hierarchy for 1980's Miyata hierarchy.
The 1400 however, is one the exceptions to the above post, being a steel frame with a 1xxx model number. The bicycle is basically a Team Miyata with different paint, butone step down in components, so it's hard to go wrong there, especially if you like fast steel frames
However, as Top505 noted, you can't compare a 1400 to a 1000. You are comparing a racing model to a grand touring model. Both are excellent bicycles, but totally different beasts.
The 1400 however, is one the exceptions to the above post, being a steel frame with a 1xxx model number. The bicycle is basically a Team Miyata with different paint, butone step down in components, so it's hard to go wrong there, especially if you like fast steel frames
However, as Top505 noted, you can't compare a 1400 to a 1000. You are comparing a racing model to a grand touring model. Both are excellent bicycles, but totally different beasts.
