Cyclist couple killed by lumber falling off a truck in NorCal
10-24-23, 03:40 PM
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What exactly are you advocating "we" do about this?
10-24-23, 03:59 PM
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Strange discussion. Some people seem to be detached from reality.
This is USA. In USA your life is worth as much as you have yourself insured it for, and not a penny more. You insure yourself and then you go do whatever you want: ride a bicycle on a road, skydive, climb the face of El Capitan etc. That's the short and the long of it. Incidents like that have been handed over for resolution to insurance companies very long time ago. Nobody else will investigate it. Nobody will present anything to the DA. (LOL! "DA"! This instantly reminded me of that "Leads? They Got Us Working in Shifts!" moment from "Big Lebowski")
Keep that in mind, then decide whether you can afford it. That trucking company did not care to secure their load because they can afford not to care. The same applies to you. That's all there is to it.
This is USA. In USA your life is worth as much as you have yourself insured it for, and not a penny more. You insure yourself and then you go do whatever you want: ride a bicycle on a road, skydive, climb the face of El Capitan etc. That's the short and the long of it. Incidents like that have been handed over for resolution to insurance companies very long time ago. Nobody else will investigate it. Nobody will present anything to the DA. (LOL! "DA"! This instantly reminded me of that "Leads? They Got Us Working in Shifts!" moment from "Big Lebowski")
Keep that in mind, then decide whether you can afford it. That trucking company did not care to secure their load because they can afford not to care. The same applies to you. That's all there is to it.
10-24-23, 05:28 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_events
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_analysis
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10-24-23, 06:04 PM
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Very puzzling perspective. If true, then why does the US lead the world in litigation? it's not because people insure themselves. It's because people sue trucking companies and their equivalents and the counter party's insurance pays.
10-24-23, 06:20 PM
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In theory virtually all accidents are preventable. In reality, stuff happens.
Some accidents could easily have been avoided with just a modicum of care. We can work on getting better with that sort of error. But human beings are too intrinsically flawed to come close to preventing all accidents.
In this case I don't know enough about the chain of events leading up to the accident to know if it could readily have been prevented. The driver or those loading the rig may have been careless or there may have been unforeseen equipment failures.
Some accidents could easily have been avoided with just a modicum of care. We can work on getting better with that sort of error. But human beings are too intrinsically flawed to come close to preventing all accidents.
In this case I don't know enough about the chain of events leading up to the accident to know if it could readily have been prevented. The driver or those loading the rig may have been careless or there may have been unforeseen equipment failures.
10-24-23, 07:04 PM
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I saw a video a couple of years ago from the Netherlands. It was about a young man losing control of his pickup truck and pinning several children riding their bicycles against the far side of a bridge retaining wall. They took his truck from him and forced him to take a 6 month long training course so they were assured he might be capable of actually driving on their roads. The city leaders and the people who plan and design roads then attempted to design the road so this was not going to or be less likely to happen. They are actually more concerned about saving lives through education and design of their roads. We base our laws on blame instead of responsibility and solving problems for all road users.
10-24-23, 08:29 PM
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Not commenting about responsibility because I have no idea of the specifics. However every once in a while I hear news like this that reminds me that life is a lottery, and sometimes your number comes up.
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10-24-23, 09:12 PM
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You didn't understand the point of my post, I guess.
10-24-23, 09:23 PM
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I can give you many more examples were the american attitude of oh well do do happens is not the norm in most of the world. The almighty car is god to these fools and it never dawns on them how wrong that is until it is one of their own who is taken out. It is a severe attitude problem in this country.
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10-25-23, 09:25 AM
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We each get just one time when this particular number comes up. But yeah, vehicular accident, lightning strike, incurable cancer, fading away with dementia. We each get one route out of here and for the most part, we don't get to choose when or how. (and those who do choose....well that's a different thread)
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10-31-23, 08:45 PM
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Possible, but we don't know this for certain. We don't know when the load shifted, we don't know how the mirrors were adjusted, we don't know how attentive the driver was to his right hand side view mirror.....
Unlikely that a DA would think they could make such a charge stick. Sadly, drivers get acquitted even when the circumstances and evidence are much stronger.
Unlikely that a DA would think they could make such a charge stick. Sadly, drivers get acquitted even when the circumstances and evidence are much stronger.
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10-31-23, 08:50 PM
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Because according to people knowledgable in such things, all "accidents" are preventable.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_events
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_analysis
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai...dent_analysis)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_events
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_analysis
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai...dent_analysis)
11-22-23, 09:58 PM
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DITTO!!! Some people, just don't get it. Even my own family members are oblivious to dangers they pose to other by their driving behavior. My elderly mother will write notes on a sticky pad while driving.
11-23-23, 12:48 AM
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Man, I guess when it's your time it's just your time.
I have a friend in Rawlins, Wyoming. Bike racer. It is legal to ride on the Interstate highways there (was legal in 1989 when I was touring through there). The cyclist and his buddy were riding on the shoulder of I-80 when a flatbed semi passed them with a load strapped down with metal bands. Unknown to the driver, one of the bands had come lose and was flopping onto the truck's load, then off over the shoulder, then back again in a cycle of a few seconds each way. The band just happened to go over their heads when the truck passed them at full highway speeds. A couple of seconds either way and they would likely been cut in half. Wasn't their time apparently. They both use mirrors now.
Anyway.....There are...
I have a friend in Rawlins, Wyoming. Bike racer. It is legal to ride on the Interstate highways there (was legal in 1989 when I was touring through there). The cyclist and his buddy were riding on the shoulder of I-80 when a flatbed semi passed them with a load strapped down with metal bands. Unknown to the driver, one of the bands had come lose and was flopping onto the truck's load, then off over the shoulder, then back again in a cycle of a few seconds each way. The band just happened to go over their heads when the truck passed them at full highway speeds. A couple of seconds either way and they would likely been cut in half. Wasn't their time apparently. They both use mirrors now.
Anyway.....There are...
11-28-23, 10:44 AM
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The winds were so crazy there I would never leave the house. I was about 15 miles East of Rawlins resting under I-80 and eating a snack before heading directly into the wind (fought a fierce cross wind all morning). A pickup truck exited the Interstate and parked under the bridge near me with a fully loaded touring bike in the bed. Passenger got out and dragged his bike from the truck bed, thanked the driver, then headed towards me. I asked him if he was hurt or broken down (I carry all sorts of tools and some parts). He replied "Nah, the wind was killing me." I told him to get the Hell away from me.
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Two dead people should trigger an immediate tox screen of the driver and any logs. I seriously doubt that this will happen. We have state attorneys that are insurance brokers.
Weather or not it is incompetence or apizing the insurance companies there is plenty of it to go around.
Weather or not it is incompetence or apizing the insurance companies there is plenty of it to go around.
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You could get lost and die.
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OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
12-02-23, 01:45 PM
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